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the fatal flaw in capitalism imo, a lot of wealth gets created which is good for everyone but eventually, a lot of that wealth also gets held by a smaller and smaller minority while the rest try to desperately compete over whatever is left over. After a certain point a certain portion of any new wealth created somehow trickles up to the capital owning class (think your VC's, fund owners, other rich investors), this capitalist system only works if "progress" happens in perpetuity, which if history is any indication society can always backslide


Not sure I agree with this worldview. The real currency of the world is labor, at least until we invent AGI. People need to be a certain amount of hungry before they will labor. Our current system supports a good number of older people being supported by the labor of younger people. That capital cannot magically increase the labor force and when you dump more capital into the system outside of a recession you get inflation, not more labor.

We might be able to support more idle people, but not at everyone’s current quality of life. That “excess capital” goes off to chase prestige goods like paintings and handbags that soak up a small fraction of the labor pool.

If a huge percentage of the labor economy were devoted to the quality of life for billionaires, then I would very much agree with “eat the rich.”


I’d say productivity is more of a currency than labor. Sisyphus isn’t producing anything, but sure is laboring a lot. The industrial revolution was huge, not because it had a lot of laborers but because the laborers were able to be more productive with their labor.


Fair enough, but no productivity improvement can make up for too few workers producing goods and services for those who might want them…yet!


a very large portion of those goods and services are unnecessary, though. think about how frequently you have to buy a phone or replace a mechanical device - I've seen dishwashers from the 50s that still work, because they were built before artificial scarcity and planned obsolescence caught on. it's perfectly feasible to build a light bulb with an MTTF of hundreds of years. We're on a treadmill, because the economic incentives are contorted to favor unchecked consumerism.

We've gotten to a point where capitalism in it's current incarnation motivates a decrease in efficiency, which we call rent-seeking. it's maximise the dollars per productivity rather than maximise productivity.

It's not like people would do nothing without work, either. We've had periods of history where there was more time and more resources than there was work to be done, and it caused explosions of fields like art and science, both of which are stagnating under the current paradigm (relative to the capabilities we have as a species * population)


I'm just not sure that's true. The largest growing class of people over the last 50 years is the upper middle class going from a vert small percentage of the population 50 years ago (doctors, lawyers, and high level execs) to being a much larger percentage of the country, around 30% today. There are more "rich" people today than ever as the upper middle class is open to more professions like engineers, upper-middle managers, etc.

The issue is relative to a lot of people. There was a much large "middle class" 50 years ago and most people were much closer to each other. That middle class has shrunk because a lot of it graduated into a new upper middle class. The upper middle class has no problems buying up property in the most sought after areas as they are close to the places these people work. 50 years ago, it was a larger group of similar middle-income people competing for these places. Today, they can't compete and are pushed out to less desirable places or they rent and complain they'll never be able to buy a home. When really it's that they won't be able to buy a home in the place they dream to live because there's more people that can outbid them than there are properties.


You're missing a very important aspect: demographics.

In several nations, we're in a unique moment in time as the majority of the population is old-ish. Old people are conservative in that they're looking for the exit, they've worked longer (more time to save/invest) and they've benefited from favorable macro conditions.

So you might as well say the opposite: a lot (most) wealth is locked up in an enormous group of people (the majority), so not in a tiny group of people.

On top of that, yes, there's also a small group of super rich.

The other aspect you didn't mention is globalization. The former middle class is now the lower class. The "mail man" in the 60s that could own a home and run a family on unskilled labor no longer exists, nor will it return.


>a lot of that wealth also gets held by a smaller and smaller minority while the rest try to desperately compete over whatever is left over.

This is the tendency of every economic system that has ever been seen or theorized. The wealth creation is what makes capitalism distinct.

I don't mean to say that 'capitalism' is the answer to the world's problems, but I point out that it's not the source of that particular intractable problem.


But this isn’t true. Median income and median wealth has been on a general upward trend for over a century.

I mean, how do you think the Western world become so wealthy? How did China raise tens of millions out of poverty.

Capitalism!


This all-or-nothing thinking is, itself, a problem. Capitalism is a tool. And it's good at many things. Creating competition and innovation in consumer goods is one area it's obviously very good at. It is not good at equity. Externalities are a massive problem raw capitalism has no affordance for addressing. Regulations (another tool) are necessary to smooth out capitalism's rough edges.

You'll find very few people that actually want to whole-hog entirely get rid of capitalism. When you find people critiquing it, it's generally from the vantage point of "this is a rough edge that needs addressing via some government intervention". Housing (in addition to healthcare, education, transportation, and countless other areas) seems like one case where this is very obviously true.


> Creating competition and innovation in consumer goods is one area it's obviously very good at.

Not really.


Good point ;-)


Ah yes, the non-capitalist nations are known for their broad selection of consumer goods, competition and cutting edge innovation, right?


Wrong.


Capitalism is like democracy, it is the worst system possible... except for all the others.


One the the core issues with capitalism IMO is that it struggles to function as a meritocracy, because the reward for having merit - money - is itself an effective substitute for merit.


> because the reward for having merit - money - is itself an effective substitute for merit.

True! It's exactly what happens with, for example, the richest man in the world right now. Everyone loves him because they think he has so much merit, but he's just a glorified recruiter and/or magnate, he doesn't have any technical knowledge at all.


If you're talking about Elon, he does in fact have pretty deep technical knowledge. Both from reports of his employees and just watching technical interviews with him.

I get the hate about him, but it's reached the point where people just make stuff up and it gets swept up into "truth" just because it feels good.


Mmm ok it might be true that he has technical knowledge, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt there. But thing is, some things he does really suck big time, such as claiming he's the founder of Tesla (merit stealing smell right there) or maskerading their driving assistance system as FSD, when it's well known that his system is the worst in the market (probably will stay like that until they add Lidar sensors).




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