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"Between 2001 and 2005, CIA officers captured an estimated one hundred fifty people and transported them around the world.[12][13][14][15]

Under the Bush administration, rendered persons were reported to have undergone torture by receiving countries. Journalists, civil and constitutional rights groups, and former detainees have alleged that this occurred with the knowledge or cooperation of the administrations of the United States and the United Kingdom."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extraordinary_rendition#:~:t....

"A Wedding That Became a Funeral US Drone Attack on Marriage Procession in Yemen"

https://www.hrw.org/report/2014/02/19/wedding-became-funeral...

"5th April 2010 10:44 EST WikiLeaks has released a classified US military video depicting the indiscriminate slaying of over a dozen people in the Iraqi suburb of New Baghdad -- including two Reuters news staff."

https://collateralmurder.wikileaks.org/

Plenty more where those came from, also enough to fill quite a few books.



I'd take the United States versus China any day of the week.

People keep making China out like they some kind of benevolent dictator. Keep in mind that all the shit talking everyone does on Hacker News and other sites is a no go in China. Ask Jack Ma about how well things go when you go against the China's CCP.


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The ones who are now stuck in Chinese Debt Traps


Like the south American ones used as CIA testbed during the 70 and 80's, or the victims of Southeast Asia wars during Nixon days?


At least it's not institutionalized torture like in Xinjang or the concentration camps used to "re-educate" Falun Gong practitioners.


>At least it's not institutionalized torture like in Xinjang

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/apr/09/prison...

>concentration camps used to "re-educate" Falun Gong practitioners

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/survivors-troubled-teen-industry-s...

Although tbh the American way to "re-educate" religious fundamentalists usually means executing them from a safe distance.

It _appears_ that China is worse, but once you start looking at actual data instead of the rhetoric found in media, you'll quickly find that it simply doesn't check out.


Nah, just a way to keep pentagon people and those that depend on their military contracts employeed.


See my other comments regarding US vs China in this context.


Tell that to the countries where US wages war on.


You're still missing the point.

This discussion is _not about the United States._ This discussion is about _China._

Let me give you a helpful link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism


Yeah, where patriot Americans defend US ways are alright as long it only affect foreign countries.


You can't measure something (eg a length or time) without comparing with something else, and the same way you can't claim hostility without comparing it with other states. Especially in the context where it's very obviously about China vs USA.


Whataboutism does not a valid argument make.


Sure it does for everyone that isn't an US citizen.

Playing Yoda clever doesn't you make.




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