Consumer reports and similar really doesn't and can't give you a good sense of long term reliability. Nissan and Kia have longstanding reputations for cheaping out on things that matter to reliability that no "predicted reliability score" should ever be able to counter. The word predicted is them admitting they have no idea yet.
I almost bought a tesla. I was really excited at the idea of driving over to the factory and picking up my car (I live close by). Then my friend pointed out that Model Ys had had some delivery problems and pointed me at https://github.com/polymorphic/tesla-model-y-checklist
After doing a bit of research I cancelled my order and bought a toyota because the out-the-door build quality is not something I need to worry about at all.
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Then we can look at the reliability of this year's models. The 2022 Kia EV6 has a reliability rating of Excellent (5/5).
The 2022 Tesla Models 3, S, X, and Y have reliability ratings of Very Good (4/5), Good (3/5), N/A (not enough data), and Good (3/5), respectively.
Consumer Reports does tend to rate Toyota vehicles higher than models from most other makes in general, but the Kia EV6 in particular has been evaluated to be an excellent vehicle.
You're completely missing my point. I was speaking of long term reliability. "reliability scores" of this years models tell you very little about long term reliability and maintenance costs! The not so good auto makers have problems that manifest in a small number of years, often right after the warranty period runs out. Reliable cars are expected to have a lifetime of a couple of decades!
The Kia EV6 was introduced in 2021 (model year 2022), so your criticism of this particular model is not backed up by any data. Historically, Kia and Tesla have similar reliability, while Nissan beats both.
Nonsense, most of my family and the people in the town I grew up in kept cars for 10+ years or 200-300k miles if they could. Some of my wealthier relatives drove 25-30 year old pickup trucks. If you don't think cars need to last 10+ years you're completely out of touch with regular people. Even if you're a rich person that buys a new car every few years reliability should matter to you, because lack of it costs you money. Reliability and maintenance costs over time are the reason a Toyota/Honda depreciates very slowly while a luxury car like a BMW/Mercedes depreciates like milk. The latter will cost the next owner a fortune in maintenance to keep running properly. If anything longevity should be far more of a priority nowadays since a) modern manufacturing makes it easier to produce long lasting vehicles than when we were children and b) anyone shopping for EVs and/or interested in environmentalism should be demanding longevity to reduce waste.
10+ years != “decades”, and the actual data is that cars last an average of about 12 years. Your relatives with 25-30 year old vehicles are the outliers here.
