That's a nice fantasy, but it would be simply impossible to build a device like my Garmin Descent Mk2 smart watch / dive computer with a user-serviceable battery while still maintaining 100m water resistance. It just can't be done. The extra seals would compromise water resistance and risk a leak when I'm underwater and need it most. And allowing for user-serviceable batteries would inevitably make it physically larger; it's already as large as a wristwatch can reasonably be.
"but it would be simply impossible to build a device like my Garmin Descent Mk2 smart watch / dive computer with a user-serviceable battery while still maintaining 100m water resistance. It just can't be done."
That's been a solved problem for a very, very long time. Even older battery-operated dive watches have user-serviceable batteries. My Tekmagic is user-replaceable. The gaskets and tolerance ranges are well-understood for this sort of thing.
No that's completely incorrect. It is not a solved problem. Those Tekmagic devices have very limited functionality and are not real smart watches or fitness trackers like the Garmin Descent series. A smart watch draws more power than a replaceable CR2025 coin cell battery can sustain. (I had a similar old Suunto wristwatch style dive computer with a replaceable battery so I am very familiar with the differences.)
"No that's completely incorrect. It is not a solved problem."
We have IP6X-rated USB connectors. Charge port is a solved problem.
Gaskets and seal plates are gaskets and seal plates, nothing really special about them. Solved problem.
The battery probably won't need to be replaced for a few years, we aren't talking a coin cell, we're talking a mini-pouch like what already exists in these watches.
I do work in this industry. It's a solved problem, has been for several decades.
I think the point was not so much to use replaceable coin cells, but introduce a rechargeable lithium battery with a standard interface and form factors that can be adopted by all devices. It doesn't seem impossible on the outset, but no manufacturer has incentive to do so.
That is impossible. A rechargeable lithium battery the size of a CR2025 would be useless for a device which draws so much power. Make the battery any bigger and then you'd have to increase the size of the device, which is already at the limit.
Smart watches already use rechargeable lithium batteries of a few hundred mAh which are tiny enough to fit in the watch. You just need to standardize the interface and form factors across the industry. Again, not suggesting to use CR2025 form factor, you can always define a new one. Most watches in the market already use very similar battery packs, it just isn't standardized.
Nobody's saying that they have to be single-use batteries? Just that the rechargeable ones should be replaceable once they reach the end of their lifetime.
> Because that innovation is market driven and turns out "brick of glass" is what people want, no matter what you or I or the Brussels bureaucrats say.
History has countless examples of how the market is very bad at accounting for externalities.
People may very well want just a "brick of glass", but regulation comes in and drives innovation when it turns out that selling people what they want in the short term actually needlessly harms society in the long run.
"What the people want" actually has a lot of nuance and variability over different timeframes.
History has even more examples of how planners and regulators are bad at accounting for… reality, really. Or the unexpected creativity of people bent on getting what they want in spite of "well meaning" regulators.
"What harms society" actually has a lot of nuance and variability over different timeframes. I don’t think anybody can define it, actually.
Regulators making nuclear power hugely expensive and activists making it wildly unpopular thus condemning us to burn coal in 2022 quickly come to mind. Or the idiocy of banning plastic straws in the west while the ocean drowns in fishing nets from Asia.
Quite wrong. The market is efficient at solving simple issues.
On the other hand a smartphone has pages long list if specs. And users have divergent preferences for those specs.
The market is only able to find a common denominator that makes everyone equally unhappy. In doing so it transfers power to the few manufacturers who now make choices for the users. Even worse, manufacturers copy each other and follow fashion trends.
It is almost impossible to find a phone that has a replaceable battery.
It is very hard to find small phones.
It is very hard to find phones with headphone jacks.
It is very hard to find phones without a punchhole or notch for the camera.
These are all things people desire, but either not strong enough or not enough people or both.
I like the iPhone mini but not enough to sacrifice the flexibility of Android.
I like displays without cutouts, but not enough to sacrifice the 4 years of updates Samsung offers.
> things people desire, but either not strong enough or not enough people or both
> I like […] but not enough
> I like […] but not enough
Sounds like the market has managed to understand perfectly the things people actually want in a phone versus the ones they are just paying lip service to.
Taking such a long list of specs with wildly contradictory requirements and create compromise products that satisfiy the most is an extremely complex issue and something the market is uniquely suited to do - I am not aware of another mechanism that can do that, maybe a future AI.
So since there's basically zero phones with physical keyboards that means no one actually wants them? I guess me and everyone else that have been angry about touchscreen only input for nearly the last decade just "dont want it enough"
Headphone jack is a minuscule cost (you still need the DAC for the speakers).
There are now magnetically attached Bluetooth devices that provide a headphone jack to an iPhone and make twice as thick.
This showcases perfectly that there is a market for an iPhone with a jack, but Apple has the power to decide for everyone.
A user has the options:
- use an old phone(for how long?)
- sacrifice the jack and stay on iOS (give up)
- sacrifice iOS, repurchase all apps (are they available? alternatives?) and other purchases, and find some phone that still has it (gradually all flagships other than Sony dropped it)
This is not a free market, it is a market with plenty of obstacles to entry (some natural some imposed).
And the following of fashion trends (mostly follow Apple) make the situation doubly toxic.
In a captive market it is sufficient for one player to demonstrate the market will accept a worse offer and other players will follow through.
This may sound like blasphemy, but capitalism is actually not compatible with the free market.
The simple fact is, unrestrained capitalism is ugly.
A company that has become wildly successful will equally hold a lot of financial power. The same company is often likely to engage in lobbying .. exchanging that fiscal power for actual political power.
Without regulations we end up living in world driven by the singular need to make more and more money.
These corporations are not able to factor the good of human kind into their plan because that's got nothing to do with their very reason for existence.
