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Amazon customer service isn't what it once was, but it's still better than 99% of the industry. 30 seconds to a call with a human, instant refund, etc.. They're still one of the few large companies you can get on the phone and speak to someone with for a 5 dollar order. Try that with anything Google, Meta, ... related. Heck even in ecommerce, try that with an order online from Walmart.

I have some hope that they can do something that's better than the low, low bar that is the US healthcare system.

Edit: Thought about this some more, and I think consumers shouldn't be nearly as worried as doctors, nurses, pharma cos, and insurance companies.

Amazon is cutthroat in its dealings with stakeholders who aren't its direct customers. Amazon has no issues squeezing book publishers, vendors, and employees. They justify this as the means of getting the best price and experience for customers. Translate that to the healthcare industry and I'm not sure what to think. Some of the actors in the space could use a wake up call, but overworked nurses, GPs, etc. are not ideal.



This is a technocratic framing: I’m not trying to get a $5 refund from my doctor, or to speak with customer service. I want to speak to my doctor on the phone, to have a years-long relationship with them (so that they understand my medical history beyond whatever a DB schema supports), and so forth. It is not remotely clear to me that Amazon is equipped to provide these things.


I switch health insurance systems when I switch jobs, in most cases, causing me to switch my network of providers. I haven't had a years long relationship with any medical provider sans a specialist I pay out of pocket, if necessary, to see. Maybe the service Amazon provides won't enable what you're looking for, but what about this instead:

- Standardize health records (detailed visit summaries, all tests and lab results, all visits to referrals or specialists)

- Fast appointment times (single digit days)

- A minimum standard of service. Doctors who won't immediately rush you out the door without solving the root cause, who won't prescribe you medication that they were sold over lunch, who'll listen to your symptoms, and because the outcome is measured by Amazon's uncaring data collection machinery, they're incentivized to actually solve the issue.

- Affordable health insurance plans and prescription drugs

The above is already leagues ahead of what my friends and family have access to or deal with. For those with the means, I'm sure there will be premium offerings that may check some of the boxes you're looking for. I think there's space for Amazon's uncaring, industrial approach to do good for people and improve quality of life.


You list two things that are fundamentally incompatible:

> I think there's space for Amazon's uncaring, industrial approach to do good for people and improve quality of life.

> [I want a] minimum standard of service. Doctors who won't immediately rush you out the door without solving the root cause, who won't prescribe you medication that they were sold over lunch, who'll listen to your symptoms, and because the outcome is measured by Amazon's uncaring data collection machinery, they're incentivized to actually solve the issue.

Anyone who has actual clinical experience will tell you that an "uncaring data collection machinery" does not incentivize anyone to "actually solve the issue". Quite the opposite: the reason that the patient experience has gotten worse over the last few decades is because the industry has already been moving towards an "uncaring data collection machinery", while simultaneously squeezing providers and narrowing their already-small margins[0] and as it turns out, uncaring data collection machineries don't care about patients.

Amazon's entire modus operandi fits very well with the absolute worst[1] forces that already exist within the healthcare industry, so it's quite hard to imagine a world in which this actually works out to patients' benefit in the long run. They might sprinkle a few shiny bells and whistles on top to placate people's fear, but actual care delivery is going to suffer in pretty much every way that you list aspirationally.

[0] People sometimes treat this as a victory because they think that it'll lead to lower healthcare costs, but providers' pay actually makes up a very small fraction of healthcare spending in the US. Even if you could eliminate those costs entirely without impacting clinical care delivery or patients in any way (which is impossible), it would still translate to a 15% reduction (which wouldn't even be passed on to patients anyway, because the system incentivizes insurers to increase costs on the claims side to increase their own earnings)

[1] worst for everyone involved except shareholders


> as it turns out, uncaring data collection machineries don't care about patients.

I'm not sure this is true. The current implementation -- maybe. But the incentives, from an outsider's perspective, seem to align?

1. Healthy patients cost less in the long term. Solving for long term issues (type 2 diabetes!) vs. the immediate issue and getting someone out the door is profit seeking.

2. Patients being alive continue to pay service fees is profit seeking.

Why would Amazon not aggressively track outcomes, measure every dimension of provider care, and ruthlessly fire / downgrade low performers to maintain the above goals?


> 1. Healthy patients cost less in the long term. Solving for long term issues (type 2 diabetes!) vs. the immediate issue and getting someone out the door is profit seeking.

This is an extremely common misconception. Luckily, you've picked a really easy example to illustrate.

"Solving" type 2 diabetes is an incredibly tricky problem. It's not something that can even be measured in the short-term, let alone solved. It's also quite individualized, more so than probably any other common diagnosis except cancer. There's no magic bullet intervention, and it takes a lot of active work to build the provider-patient relationship to a point where it can identify the appropriate interventions for that patient, identify problems with those interventions, and help the patient execute on them successfully.

Because it's so individualized, and because it's so long-term, any system designed to "streamline" that is ultimately going to fail, because the curse of dimensionality will inevitably collapse away the requisite information, and the pursuit of short-term profit will inevitably cause the system to prioritize short-term interventions over long-term ones which will actually address the issue.

"Healthy patients cost less in the long term" is technically true, but there's no way of turning unhealthy patients into healthy ones that doesn't, in aggregate, cost more than the theoretical savings.

> Why would Amazon not aggressively track outcomes, measure every dimension of provider care, and ruthlessly fire / downgrade low performers to maintain the above goals?

Again, this is an incredibly technocratic approach to a field (care delivery) that requires a different approach. It works if you assume that negative outcomes are the fault of individual providers ("low performers") and that individual providers have both the agency and resources to solve arbitrary cases. In practice, that's almost never the case: there are way too many confounding factors that impact clinical outcomes, and providers are quite limited in their power compared to other players: the insurance companies, the administration of the system they work within, and most importantly, the patients themselves.

Honestly, the only way you could meaningfully "fire low performers" is to identify patients who aren't performing well and then drop them. Which is, in a way, what the health insurance system does... but we tend to consider that an antipattern.


In the long term, healthy patients cost less, yes. And bring more in by staying alive, yes. But you know what's even better? A more or less healthy patient on which you can perform lots of procedures that make money. So I (as an MD myself) very much doubt that the incentives will benefit patients, here. People always forget that the main goal of private providers is making money, not keeping people healthy...


American here -- agree with the sentiment.. but the American Medical Association guild practices, plus the weight of wealth behind the scenes, have doomed alternatives IMHO. Amazon Inc. is perfectly positioned in the minds of many to be the heartless, efficient and remote 'brain' for the ugly reality of healthcare delivery in the USA.

While digesting that unpleasant postulation, I will refer to a second order effect, and that is .. always on electronic ID with de-facto location tracking, entering into the commercial info fabric. Legislators be warned, this is going to change, and change, and change again the social fabric as real people fall into health problems and life changes, and no longer run their relationship with public information about their conditions, and that it is linked to a (profit-motive) law enforcement fines, court conditions and oversight, one at a time on a very large scale.


ahem Have you seen the scale of their Enterprise Support organization? As an AWS customer, you can be on the phone with your TAM in minutes. Maybe Amazon consumer doesn't flex that way, but it's a very limited viewpoint to say that there's no corporate DNA at Amazon that's set up for customer service.


I didn't say they lack the "DNA" for customer service. I just don't think the kinds of customer service they've optimized for are compatible with reasonable (and beneficial, in terms of patient outcomes) expectations in the world of primary care medicine.


> Amazon customer service isn't what it once was, but it's still better than 99% of the industry

Your experience with Amazon's customer service and my experience with it are completely opposite.




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