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I’ve haven’t tried the glove80 but suspect I won’t like it because it doesn’t do QWERTY and the columnar layout may not work for me.

However over the years I’ve purchased many ergo kbs: ergo dox, kinesis and variants, and I just could not get into any of those.

Until I got the UHK (Ultimate Hacking Keyboard) , and I absolutely love it. It retains the QWERTY + regular (staggered?) layout, has split/angled halves, and thumb clusters, all of which can be programmed with an excellent software.



It seems that any layout is supported and that it comes with the QWERTY layout by default.


You're right. It is qwerty but the columnar is what I meant would be a big obstacle


Ortholinear is what you are referring to and it is absolutely worth it to learn. Staggered keyboards don’t make sense anymore - the originally reason keys were staggered was because the bars could not physically overlap - and it is far more natural to type only moving each finger along two axis


u mean horizontally staggered doesn't make sense?

ortholinear is the Planck EZ (https://blog.zsa.io/2307-goodbye-planck-ez/) for example.

this Glove80 is vertically staggered (or as they said in the review article: it has column stagger), NOT ortholinear.


With the UHK I am already having difficulty typing directly on my MacBook. With the ortholinear this might only make switching back and forth harder. But it is intriguing.


Or easier. I have switched to column stagger pretty quickly after going to ergo keyboards and I don't have trouble typing on my MacBook. I only dread it now :).


Columnar patterns are painful to muscle memory.

I personally use an ergodox I built, and I will never type fast like I can on a staggered layout. I also had to fix a typing mistake (I typed c with my index on staggered, and it became 'b')

In the end it's the split that saved my wrists. I believe everyone should type on one, whatever the model.


Anecdotally, I did not have too much of an issue switching to a columnar layout - I would give it a shot if you were interested.

I've been using a Moonlander for about a year. I feel like it took at most a week for me to adjust and to attain my current typing speed. I probably type a little slower on it (maybe less accurately too), but my rate is passable (80-100 WPM). I've recently tried a Kinesis Advantage 2 for a few weeks and did not find that adjusting to it was very difficult.

Maybe I'm the odd one out here. Edit: having seen other comments here, I suspect I might be. Apologies for making switching seem trivial.


Same, love my UHK. The mod-layer on my thumb has given me so much.

My only gripes are the tenting legs sometimes close when I shift the keyb around on my desk. And it's not wireless (I don't have time to mod).




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