Didn't know Scion did the no-haggle thing, thanks for the heads up on that. Also imagine the F&I hardsell is how they make up the difference... was the sales agent you were working with responsive/nice/etc or did he seem impatient and wanted to get the deal wrapped up quickly?
The salesman seemed really nice and things went well with him. It was my understanding that he mainly only sold Scion vehicles and he had drank their koolaid in terms of how they wanted to sell the things. That is, "the price is the price, and if that's what you want to pay then great, let's skip the games and get you a new car."
The F&I guy however reminded me of exactly the classic skeeziness you expect from a car dealership. Scion is just a sub-brand of Toyota and you buy at a Toyota dealership, so once you get to that point in the deal you're working with the same person you would if you bought a Camry instead.
