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Ask HN: What is the best laptop on the market for programming right now?
27 points by rodly on April 1, 2012 | hide | past | favorite | 54 comments
Ultrabooks are a given in my opinion. I'm curious to hear yours though.


Macbook Air 13". I love it. It's my first Mac and I realized I will never buy a non-mac laptop again. Yes, it's more slightly more expensive, but the quality is so much higher it's unreal.

Your $1200 buys you more than your $1000 for an "Ultrabook"


Our X-mas bonus this year at work was a MacBook Air. I've got a 15" Pro at work; and at home, a 24" iMac, a TabletPC, a Chromebook, a Galaxy Tab, and four smartphones (thank you, Google I/O). The Air felt a little bit like overload at first ("yay - another gadget"), but it quickly became my favorite of the lot.

13" is a great size (I don't miss the extra 2" from my Pro), and it's unbelievably svelte. If I take the bus, I just throw it under my arm - no bag, no charger - just my MacBook Air. It's plenty fast. The screen has great color, and will go as bright or as dim as you need.

Heed this man's advice - get an Air.


I just realized that working outside on a gusty day is a challenge with the Air. I'm a little afraid it's going to blow off the roof.


I can't work outside with it really at all, it's hard to read the screen even in minor light.


Your absolutely right! I've got a Macbook Pro 13" and it's absolutely brilliant! I will never but a non-mac laptop again.


Here's my progress:

17" Dell <- beginning of college

13" Lenovo T61 <- end of college

13" Macbook <- post-college

11" Macbook Air <- latest

These have all gotten better, faster, and more powerful. They've gotten smaller. I feel like I've done a lot of different types of work: I ran gentoo on the T61 for a few months, did some photoshop work on the 13" macbook, and everything in between. The Macbook Air's CPU has a lower clock speed, but it literally hasn't been a problem. The combination of long battery life, being incredibly light, and the speed of the SSD makes me 100% recommend a macbook air of whatever size you like.

Thinkpads are definitely popular for a reason, but it's been a few years since I've used one. I'm sure there is a similar offering that has all the same sorts of benefits -- I'd wonder about battery life, though.


i have a thinkpad x200s, with 9 cell battery, get about 8 hours.


Since I have bought a Macbook Air I can't think of switching to another machine.

Light, durable, great keyboard, fantastic display, support for the biggest three OSs.

If Apple really releases the next Macbook Pros with the Air form factor and retina display, it will really be a no brainer.

As an alternative, I have been always fond of Lenovo laptops (T41/T61), although I honestly haven't tried their ultrabooks.


Are the new Macbooks being released in the summer?


All the evidences point to newer 13- and 15-inch MBPs.

Looke here: http://buyersguide.macrumors.com/


Awesome. This is what I was expecting. Hopefully they are released in the next month.


I hope it will be sooner. The retina display could really be a game changer, both in terms of hardware and OS.

If the manage to offer doubled resolution while maintaining the same interface form factor like they did with the iOs devices... wow, can't wait.


I love my Macbook Pro 13". I really like the form factor: it's not too big and not too small. I would really like to have a Macbook Air, but unfortunately the small HD space and lack of an optical drive and firewire port are dealbreakers to me.


The dealbreaker for me with the MacBook Pro 13" is that you don't have the option of upgrading the display for a higher density display. The MacBook Airs come with this standard, and the larger MacBook Pros have an upgrade option available. Between having one of these displays on my MacBook Pro 15" and using a retina display on my iPhone and my iPad, I can't even stand to look at the display on the MacBook Pro 13" or the older iPads anymore.


I think either a MacBook Pro or MacBook Air is still the best option for most everything. I love my display and keyboard and OS X is truly the best for both usability and flexibility. At risk of sounding like a fangirl, I think that Mac laptops are the best on the market. It will be exciting to see what happens in June if Apple unifies their two laptop lines.


I've had a 15" MacBook Pro for about three years and I absoloutely love it. Its trackpad is far, far better than any other laptop's, its keyboard is very easy to type on, its display is gorgeous, its pretty, runs OS X and Linux (and on OS X, you can run most unix tools and a huge number of great development tools and editors that run only on OS X - like TextMate).

MacBook Pro is the dream machine for a developer. But if you're not in a hurry, I suggest waiting for a while. Rumors say a 15" Air-ish MacBook Pro is on its way (with fast, quad core processors and 4-8 GB ram).


>MacBook Pro is the dream machine for a developer. But if you're not in a hurry, I suggest waiting for a while. Rumors say a 15" Air-ish MacBook Pro is on its way (with fast, quad core processors and 4-8 GB ram).

I have to oppose this. OS X's Mission Control is not at all good for a developer. Not at all as efficient as using some window manager with dedicated and numbered desktops, e.g. Xmonad.

The other thing which annoyed me when I worked with OS X machine was the absence of a good package manager for every application. I had to use my Macbook for work when I was working from home. I had to install GCC and MySQL, which took almost an hour of my precious time. Never had that kind of problems with Arch or Ubuntu.


You can download GCC and LLVM from apple's website (requires a free registration though) - a 140MB file. After that, you can use homebrew[1] to install MySQL, or hundreds of other development tools - For example, I have redis, MongoDB, Node.js, MySQL, ffmpeg, wget, ocaml, lynx, mit-scheme, gsed, cmake, ack, clock, coffee-script and about 200 other packages installed.

You're quite right that it wasn't as easy as ubuntu, but things have got infinitely better in the past year. `brew` is now comparable to `apt-get` (for everything I've tried at least).

And I'm positive things will improve still. About 70% on this topic recommended MacBooks. Last year, it'd been 50%.

[1] https://github.com/mxcl/homebrew


I know Homebrew. I've been using Apple computers for the last 10 years. The first time I couldn't do my stuff with a Mac was when I started programming professionally.

There is still important stuff missing. I'd like to have rc.d for daemons and the ability to change the awful desktop to more powerful window manager.

I still like macs, but not as my work computer.


Two options that can be used at the same time .

Use brew to install command line apps and other utilities.

Use Linux in a VM and install servers and what not in the VM. Use file system sharing to make the Linux side appear seem less.


So using native Linux install is much easier.

Too bad that other manufacturers don't build as good hardware as Apple. And too bad Apple hardware is often propiertary, so it might be hard to install Linux to it (not always, though).

My choice has been a separate work computer with two monitors, a mouse, a keyboard and Arch Linux. At home I have two computers: iMac for television and MacBook for upstairs Minecraft computer. Win-win.


You can get the same effect using a VM. Installing Linux on Mac hardware is __way__ harder than you think. After building a bootable linux usb key for a macbook, I will never do this again. It literally felt like I was using a sparc station to boot DOS.

not cool.

That said, I use linux VMs on my macs all the time. It feels natural, in fact it feels RIGHT. When I was mostly using desktop linux, I still did the bulk of my server side work in VMs under VMWare Workstation. So not much has changed, just that my window manager is made by apple.


I also love my 15" MacBook Pro. I've had it for about 1.5 years now. I will never buy a different brand again.


Macbook Air 13". Absolutely love this laptop. Weighs less than three pounds so it's extremely portable, only .68" thick at the widest point. It's got an SSD, so disk operations, shutdown, and startup are super fast, plus 4GB of RAM. Been using it for programming for eight months now, couldn't recommend it more.


My vote goes to the MacBook Air 13". Best laptop I've used ever (coming from a Windows and Linux world and Dell/Asus laptops)


I'm jumping on with the MacBook bandwagon... I have used exclusively a laptop with Linux on it for years, went to Mac and haven't looked back.


I can recommend Lenovo Thinkpad X and T series if you are using GNU/Linux.


http://www.laptopreviews.com/macbook-air-vs-thinkpad-x220-co...

i've been trying to weigh this up for a while Macbook Air vs Thinkpad x220, seems close.. this reviewer is pretty expansive and (just) gives it to the x220...

not sure tho, ppl here seem to LOVE MBA's.


11" Macbook Air with a "base-station" where you can go to plug it in for times when you just have to have more screen real-estate.


I've had MacBook Pro's for about 3 years and I've been running a MacBook Air for about 9 months.

I love my Air, it's easily a very solid machine. But the small screen size can be a little constraining, and the machine does noticeably lack power. Not having a dedicated graphics card also limits you from trying out things like WebGL. And anytime you hit a Flash-based website, your MBA will sound like a jet engine.

I think if you're very mobile (i.e. travel a lot) go with the Air. If you're at home most of the time, get an iMac and an 11" air for the few times that you are mobile. If you need the best of both worlds, go with a MacBook Pro.

My next machine will be a 15" next gen MacBook Pro. Those should incorporate design elements from the Air in a more powerful package.


there's nothing but a solid (aluminium), fast (SSD), brilliant (display) and coding-ready (dev. environment) like a Macbook Pro.

Thinkpads clearly are a second choice as long as price does not matter.

And yes - I've used most available hardware and OSes for several years.


Most companies i think provide like Lenovo / HP . My company gives out Lenovo T520. Personally i think its too bulky but sure does pack the power .

But i own a Macbook pro 13" and i'm loving it . The track pad and the keys are unmatchable IMO.


I recently went for a Dell XPS 17" with the monitor resolution upgrade (1920*1080). I bought an SSD separately. I wanted something to code on and screen resolution seemed like the most important thing for that.

I've been pretty happy with it, but I've never had another laptop, so I can't really compare.

It's reasonably weighty: I've walked half hour journeys with it, which makes my arm ache. You'll likely want a shoulder strap if you're going to be carrying it around a lot.

I also usually take a mouse along with me. While it's mainly for gaming, it's very helpful for coding as well. If you're a VIM or Emacs expert maybe you'll disagree.


I use a Lenovo X220 with an SSD and a 15" MBP (also with an SSD). They're both fantastic machines. The Lenovo lets me use Linux with pretty much perfect compatibility and has the best keyboard I've ever used. The MPB similarly has the best trackpad I've encountered. The main unexpected advantage of using OS X has been the presence of readline-style keyboard shortcuts at an OS mediated level (in any text field). Once you get used to that, using any other OS for incidental typing (in search fields or forms) feels slow.


"the presence of readline-style keyboard shortcuts at an OS mediated level"

What does that mean? Do you have an example comparing it to non-'readline-style' shortcuts?


I'm assuming it refers to the fact that most simple Emacs-flavored shortcuts work in any textfield. C-A for <Home>, C-E for <End>, C-K to kill to the end of the line, etc. Certain tookits do this on Linux (Qt for one, I think), and I agree that it's hugely helpful.

So I believe non-readline-style shortcuts would refer to, for example, C-A to select all text.


Exactly. I should probably have referred to them as emacs-style as readline can be configured to have vi-bindings as well.


What qualities would make a laptop particularly suitable for programming? I guess you want speed and build quality, but you probably want those whatever it's for. My T410 does me fine.


A friend of mine has just told me yesterday he had seen in a shop the new ultrabook Asus Zenbook and he's thinkin about buying it: http://zenbook.asus.com/zenbook/?c=original The 13" model he has seen should be 1.1kg, 7hours battery and 1000euro (even thought the normal price should be 1200), so it's cheaper and lighter than a MBA 13". Has anybody experience with this ultrabook? especially with linux?


While I can't speak for the zenbook, I can speak for Asus every laptop I had so far is Asus, never had any problems with them. My current one is an old V1S (about 5years old) and still works pretty well, I had it with linux and windows, no problems at all with linux drivers. Call me a fanboy if you want, but I try to buy asus when possible and have no regrets so far. About macbooks, for me its just overpriced hardware, I buy something because it works not because of its design, and comparing my laptop with a friends macbook I have seen no diference except the OS, nearly the same specs with his monitor being smaller. (maybe thats just me, I was never a fan of apple stuff)


My workmate bought one for programming. Ubuntu 11.10 required a kernel compile for Bluetooth to work, otherwise everything seemed to work out of the box. Even going to sleep when closing the lid - the hardest test you can give to a Linux laptop.


Macbook Air 11" if you want a great laptop in a really small package. Thinkpad T420 If you're willing to accept something slightly larger in exchange for a larger screen with higher resolution, support for up to 16GB of RAM, better battery life (with the 9 cell battery) and a proper nvidia graphics card.

Also I find the keyboard on the Thinkpad (slightly) better, but the trackpad is worse. Then again it does have trackpoint which some people really like.


I see a LOT of people mentioning the MacAir. I'm an Electrical Engineer and need an absolute powerhouse to do signal processing simulations, or other involved tasks. MacBookAir would never cut it for me. I prefer Ubuntu on a 13" quadcore processor + 8GB RAM. The HP Pavilion dm4t Beats Edition has all of the above, and weighs a mere 4.5 lbs.


I've got a ThinkPad T410 running Arch Linux with Xmonad. I've been running Arch on the T410, and a T400 before it, for the last 2.5 years without a hitch. I think I've finally found a setup I can stick to indefinitely - when I tried to switch to Xfce, I found the hit using a non-tiling window manager had on my productivity to be unbearable.


I've got a cheap Asus K50, and it's been my friend for a long time. Good keyboard, audio, and brightness settings, and enough processing speed for my needs. The best part about it is that if I drop it in the bathtub I'm only out ~600 for a new one (I do my best programming in the bathroom, it seems).


I'm running on an excessively expensive 15" Dell Precision Windows 7 quad core, ssd, nvidia quaddro laptop. It's not that great on its own (but one screen is inadequate for real productivity anyway). Plug in a monitor (or three!) and a keyboard/mouse and this thing hums.


I've been very satisfied w/ the portability of the 11" MacBook Air.


You're not going to get much here other than Macbook. :) Check out Dell's XPS series. I own the quad core XPS 15 and absolutely love the performance and battery life.


Love the Macbook Air, I have the 13". I particularly love that I never have to shut it down. With OS X and SSD, the wake up time is great.


Macbook Pro/Air FTW. I have a 15in Pro w/ SSD. It's awesome but kind of heavy to be carried around. So pick Air if you travel a lot


Dell quad core with SSD's, 8gb ram. I haven't had to format it yet, which is good for a laptop 9 month on!

Very fast


ASUS Zenbook UX31 or Toshiba Portégé Z835 or 13″ Macbook Air.


x220 with i5,IPS screen and 16Gb ram (SSD is good too but not mandatory). MB air/Pro can go fly a kite.


ThinkPad T400




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