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Apple contemplated illegally dividing the digital content world with Amazon (allthingsd.com)
19 points by lleims on April 11, 2012 | hide | past | favorite | 13 comments


In other news I contemplated illegally robbing a Las Vegas casino after watching Oceans 11. Unfortunately, it wasn't a conspiracy as I just kept it myself, until now. How do I get Peter Kafka's attention? My company needs press, too.


I got a completely different impression, it seems to me that Peter Kafka was ridiculing the conspiracy allegations in the DoJ complaint.


Don't you think that there might be a difference between a person contemplating something, and an organization of people doing so?


No. Unless you can prove that there was an actual conspiracy with intent, there's nothing illegal going on. Corporations are allowed to fantasize just like people (as long as there's no blatant fraud involved). Or did you mean some other difference?


> Corporations are allowed to fantasize just like people

That's not necessarily true, since groups of people fantasizing tends to involve a lot more externalized things that might be evidence. If I dream at night about bombing a federal building, I probably won't be arrested for it, but if I meet weekly with a group of people where we discuss bombing federal buildings and how we might go about it, that's starting to get a lot more sketchy. Similarly, if there are corporate memos flying around and strategy meetings/documents contemplating illegal activity, that's not necessarily a-ok.


I don't know how many times me and friends went about how to rob a bank. Surely we should be set on fire.

More than that, Apple "contemplated" it, then decided against it, maybe because, like "oh that doesn't sound legal, we can't do that" ? And, I don't like Apple. But that's no reason.


but if I meet weekly with a group of people where we discuss bombing federal buildings and how we might go about it, that's starting to get a lot more sketchy

You basically just described my college experience. (or a white-hat conference).


> "there's nothing illegal going on."

That's not what I asked, is it?

Or do you mean that only illegal activities are worthy of our attention?


I contemplate killing all world leaders every next day due to such articles. Yet, they're still alive. Does that mean I'm going to jail?

Are we that dumb yet? I bet in a decade or so, if things keep going the way they are, it will be a reason to actually be jailed/fined. And that's scary. Maybe I should stop contemplating ;-)


We'll take you more seriously when you're in a position of power where you can put these desires into effect with the wave of a pen.

There is a big difference between the inner thoughts people entertain, and discussions and negotiations where people actively consider pursuing illegal actions.

If you began meeting with friends about how to assassinate the president and the authorities found out, I'm pretty sure you'd get a legitimate knock on the door from the Secret Service.


This article explains what exactly happened much better. It was much more than just "contemplating to collude." http://money.cnn.com/2012/04/11/technology/apple-doj-ebooks/...

Amazon forced publishers to sell most books at $9.99 -- a price that came in below the cost of the books.

According to the DOJ, booksellers were unnerved by the discounted e-book price structure Amazon launched in 2007. The publishers went to Apple in late 2009 to find a way to force Amazon to raise its prices. The iPad proved to be the perfect tool to accomplish that.

The alleged conspiracy placed many books at so-called "agency pricing," putting them on the market for about $12.99 and giving Apple a 30% cut. About three days later, Amazon allowed publishers to set their own prices, resulting in higher prices on the Kindle as well.


Even though these "plans" were not enacted, this evidence could be damning in Apple's larger fight. I predict that Apple and the publishers will be fined. Hopefully the result of the DoJ's investgation is that vendors adopt a wholesale model, which will probably drop the price of e-books.


Which is why Apple should've withheld dividends for another year and stock piled enough cash for a hostile takeover of Amazon and taken over the world!




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