Actions like this will just hurt Wayland in the long run. It needs more users, and for that more applications that support it by default. No one will bring X11 to the level of Wayland, but someone might fix the existing Wayland problems.
X11 today works better for more users than Wayland. No user will want to switch to something that provides a worse experience.
Until these issues are ironed out, it's delusional to think that making Wayland the default will make users happy. Keep it as an experimental feature, and once it provides an objectively better experience for everyone, make it the default.
These technical discussions by folks in the trenches often miss the forest for the trees. Users don't care that X11 is difficult to support, develop and maintain. They just want a working system. By the looks of it from this GH issue, Wayland is also a pain for developers. What a sad state of affairs for Linux.
I guess I'm just hoping for some user that will be bugged enough by problems in Wayland that they decide to fix them. The chance of that increases with user count.
I understand that the bulk "forest" of Linux users don't care about their window manager / desktop environment, but it's a higher number than in other operating systems. This approach wouldn't work in Windows or MacOS, in Linux it might.
Why learn about wayland and figure out how to fix things (and then probably have gnome developers never ever accept your fix) when you can just switch to Xorg in 3 seconds?
Because nobody maintains Xorg anymore. Wayland was started because the Xorg developers thought Xorg had come to the end of the road and was unfixable. You can think of Wayland as X12, except without copyright/trademark concerns.
Sure, X11 "better", as long as you don't have high or mixed DPI screens, appreciate variable refresh rates, arbitrary scale factors, don't mind inconsistent tearing, aren't bothered by using a openly unmaintained, abandoned critical piece of desktop infra, etc.
Otoh, if you're willing to buy a GPU from a vendor that doesn't snub Linux, or maybe god forbid change screenshot programs (doubt you even need to nowadays), you get plenty of benefits with Wayland.
Edit: athe kind of person that downvotes comments like this are some of the least respectable, laughable, on the planet. Shove your fingers in your ears harder and make that tantrum louder. I'm sure it will convince X11 devs to abandon Wayland and return to the project they declared on life support, yup. That's how these things work.
The “oh, just don’t buy a GPU from NVidia” point is one I see made a lot when discussing Wayland’s failures, but it completely misses the fact that CUDA is currently the only viable option for GPU compute in many situations. If any significant part of your desktop usage involves such compute, that’s not a solution - or rather it’s a solution that renders your system less capable than it was before.
Though in a sense that’s consistent with Wayland’s general “you’re holding it wrong” approach of shifting blame for any problems onto the person reporting them and concluding that anything that doesn’t work well isn’t a valid use-case anyway.
> Sure, X11 "better", as long as you don't have high or mixed DPI screens, appreciate variable refresh rates ...
Tell that to the PCSX2 users who experience issues on Wayland, but not on Xorg.
This is what I mean by missing the forest for the trees. There's no doubt that Wayland is technically superior to Xorg in many ways. But technical superiority means squat if applications are misbehaving and crashing. While developers are arguing about who should be in charge of window placement (FFS, how is _this_ still a discussion after *15 years*!?), the only thing users get is a poor experience.
> Shove your fingers in your ears harder and make that tantrum louder.
I didn't downvote you, but maybe you should follow your own advice and realize that Wayland does not work great for everyone. Your type of dismissals are the equivalent of "works on my machine".
Not sure it will do anything to hurt Wayland. The app will just run in XWayland which is mostly impossible to tell between a native Wayland app for users.
I might not be up to date on this, but does fractional scaling work at all on Linux under any setup? Last I checked GTK just flat out didn't support it or something.
KDE supports fractional scaling. GTK doesn't and as a result neither does GNOME. There's hacks in gnome to work around this by faking it with downscaled integer scaling (render at 2x, squash into 1.5x) but it never provided a good experience for me.
