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The discrimination in Europe works slightly differently than in the US, as having a native sounding name is just as, or even more, important than having a "right" skin color.

So to be certain you'll avoid discrimination, you'd need to omit both the photo and the name from the CV, and that's not common at all.



Should we also hide the names of the universities we went to and the names of former employers we worked at?


You do for the UK Civil Service

> Please ensure you remove references to your: ... educational institutions

https://www.civil-service-careers.gov.uk/ipo-recruitment-sup...


Sure! Why not? Especially if we all know that that is the main determining factor of the recruiter, and the recruiter is completely protected from any discrimination. You can simply lie, regardless.

If the employer won't digitally sign their denial of my resume,or even acknowledge the reason for my denial, I'm not digitally signing mine; which means it's a theatre of discrimination disguised as "filtering" from BOTH sides.

I'm surprised so many prolific firms beyond FAANG still treat hiring like the big accounting firms of yore did/do.


Confused, what are you implying?


There's bias towards certain big name institutions. Perhaps we should prevent discrimination on this basis by omitting those references.


Also, because those big name institutions have bias towards certain types of students - and train them to think/act in certain ways.

It often works, which is why they do it.


how is that discrimination other than signaling you know the language, have a job permit and so on.


Because you’re assuming just from the name or photo thay someone knows the language and have job permit.

This means children from immigrant families growing up in Europe would be discriminated against simply because of how they look and what their last name is.

That’s classic discrimination.


this you will see on their education history though, but sure thats the same for europeans in china too and so on


Okay, so if I put down that education history, then what? I can lie.

My points are that hiring should be more based on applied challenges and gauging recruit success in context. The heavy cost of vetting should be part of the onboarding, not recruiting; which would put the onus on the employer and away from the often discriminated employee.


Because then employers will treat the absence of that signal as a potential concern?


yes, because it is


Look, "potential concerns" shouldn't matter unless they're real concerns. Judging someone based on "potential concerns" is discrimination. Judge someone based on who they are, not who you think they might be.


in theory yes but people judge you for school or whatever on a CV anyway


Which is why discrimination laws exist. The fact that people do it doesn't make it right.




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