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I'm not a huge fan of TikTok (I think it's just silly and most of the content there is just not for me), but has anyone shown any credible Bad Thing that the app has been doing? It just seems like a vapid time waster that sucks up user data, just like other US-owned vapid time waster apps that suck up user data. Is this just "China Bad" from politicians, or have they actually done something wrong to users?


If TikTok is doing something bad then the bad thing should be illegal, not the platform or who owns it.

But banning bad things would require a well-thought-out bill that could inadvertently protect Americans from domestic tech companies that are also harvesting and selling our personal data and manipulating our attention. And that would be a problem (for politicians).

Easier to just blame China and kick the can down the road to the next generation to deal with the real problems.


> Is this just "China Bad" from politicians, or have they actually done something wrong to users?

Honestly, banning Chinese apps in general seems fine to me, given how many Western apps/websites China bans.

Trade is good, but it should be reasonably two-sided.

It's weird to me that in these discussions people mostly ignore how many Western apps/services China bans. Isn't reciprocity entirely reasonable?


Security firm Quokka has briefed Congress about its relative risk: https://www.quokka.io/blog/the-security-risks-inherent-in-th...


> insecure data storage, data leakage, and exposure to network based attacks

Huh... So this is about securing data, buffer overruns, and remote code execution. Seems like kind of small potatoes for Congress to get involved.


If these were issues that lead to banning, there are a lot of other consequential apps and services to ban too.


agreed, such as Equifax; after it was breached and our, coughs, "stolen data" was stolen from them.


> It just seems like a vapid time waster that sucks up user data, just like other US-owned vapid time waster apps that suck up user data. Is this just "China Bad" from politicians, or have they actually done something wrong to users

Well they do seem to push anti-us {anything} (not that there it isn't anything to complain about if you're a US voter) while simultaneously "hide" or "de-promote" anti-china or anti-eastern content.

They also push more us-crime content while they could push more for buddhist content and make more of a difference but it's obvious it's the CCP behind of it all...

Note that this is coming from someone that didn't grow up in the US and is anti-authoritarian (right or left) as they come... (I grew up in Venezuela, left authoritiaran system).


TikTok should be banned until Facebook and Google are available in China.


Nope. Facebook and Google would be available in china if they agreed to chinese laws. Tiktok is following american laws.


Good news: The law to force divestiture of TikTok is an American law.


We are somewhat agreed. It's insane that any country should allow foreign control over their media. And hopefully, china and the rest of the world will follow up with similar laws. Not sure why facebook, google, netflix, youtube, etc are allowed in most countries. All important companies should be run locally.

It's funny how the divestiture law is just 'nationalizing' foreign corporations. Something we shamed cuba, et al about. But I'm okay with it.


I think the other poster is pointing out that China already did this, and this law itself is the "follow-up with similar laws" response to their actions.


> I think the other poster is pointing out that China already did this

No china didn't. That's my point. You and the poster's assertion is an outright propaganda lie that's been repeated ad nauseum. China has the same laws that the EU has and the US has. Where citizens' data is stored and controlled locally. Tiktok is storing american data within the US.

If china enacts similar 'tiktok' laws, then apple, microsoft and every tech company operating in china would have to sell its entire chinese operations to chinese entities.

I hope china, india, EU and the rest of the world takes the tiktok bill as a blueprint and enacts similar laws.


> Tiktok is storing american data within the US.

Even TikTok's employees say that is false.

> Video-sharing app says it has walled off American data, but employees say data is still sometimes shared with its China-based parent

https://www.wsj.com/tech/tiktok-pledged-to-protect-u-s-data-...


The law doesn't say Americans must buy it. Just that it can't be owned by a 'foreign adversary'.


And the House committee is part of American law.


Isn't this article about Congress changing US laws?


You might want to read on their takeover of… Newegg of all things.


Can you elaborate? There's nothing obviously nefarious in the first dozen Google results.


Supposedly they used that to start gaining information on actual spending habits, since they sell things directly via TikTok now, at very low prices. Although I’m actually thinking this might be too far fetched of theory.




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