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I think you totally missed my point.

I was just speaking to how Railists too often, do not openly consider or think anything productive, well structured, or maybe even great could have existed before, or at the same time as Rails for the web.

We forget the difference between a language and a framework as well. Too many folks short sightedly compare a language to a framework. Frameworks will always evolve and change, and few rarely do anything new or novel, just like languages may, but they're entirely different things.



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