Joe Decuir is the man - there are a number of really good presentations of his on youtube. And the parent is talking about Fujinet, which is all the rage:
I just watched the video from that presentation and it didn't sound like anything so egregious that it would make you want to never attend a similar event was said (we couldn't hear your actual question very well). I get that there's a little more to your decision than that, but still.
https://fujinet.online/
It's too bad Cherryhomes shot down an interesting question.