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If 90% of students have a good experience but the 10% of students have a similar experiences to the poster there, then I still think Lambda is another ethical disaster of a start-up.

"It's better than a typical USA student loan" is a very low bar.



> "It's better than a typical USA student loan" is a very low bar.

But that the literal alternative, so feels pretty fair to compare.


Not with learning programming.

You can simply self-teach.

A bootcamp isn't a CS degree.


Between smarts, motivation, and time most people cannot "simply self-teach". There's a reason education is such a massive industry, and entire professions exist around it.


I'm refuting the notion that your only choices are college degrees or bootcamps.


There are absolutely other choices. But those choices won't work for the vast majority of people.


There are also other careers with which you can make a good living.

Not everything can be for everybody.


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> You can't expect 100% of students to have a good time, and it's not obvious what an "ethical" success bar should be

No, but you can expect none of them to have been lied to.

> If Allred is an unscrupulous scammer, he forgot to do the greedy part. The guy is worth less than a lot (maybe most) FAANG SWEs

The defense is he's a fraudster, but incompetent?


> No, but you can expect none of them to have been lied to.

The CFPB report really doesn't make this obvious. All I've seen in this thread and in the CFPB statement are claims with nothing to back them up. The worst I've seen is "100% cohort", which doesn't seem to condemn the whole program.

> The defense is he's a fraudster, but incompetent?

The defense is I'm having a difficult time finding actual evidence of fraud.


> You can't expect 100% of students to have a good time,

No one in this thread has suggested this.


The guy I responded to said 10% having a bad time was an ethical disaster, so what's the bar? 1%? 9%?


Nope, that's not what they said.

If 90% of students aren't _scammed_, but 10% are _scammed_, there is an ethical disaster. But at this point it's clear you either have some actual financial incentive/relationship with Lambda School, or you just don't want to be wrong. Either way, I don't think engaging any further will be fruitful.


> The guy is worth less than a lot (maybe most) FAANG SWEs.

This is quite a definitive claim by you. Do you happen to have the data for what FAANG SWE's are worth so we can compare?


It's not exactly news that FAANG salaries have been extremely high for the last 20 years.

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We should be going after all fraudsters.

Happiness with a degree is unrelated to fraudulent advertising and sketchy/deceptive contacts.

Most universities don't lie so blatantly about services provided to students or graduate job placement percentages.


The universities don't have to lie or make any promises, because they already have a monopoly on prestige.


> 18th Century Polynesian Gender Studies

You really had to use something as cringey as this ridiculous trope?

Just go with underwater basket weaving or something less blatantly offensive to a portion of people while riding your high horse.


This is what my friend actually studied at Brown, so why is this offensive? It is a real field of study:

https://pacific.socsci.uva.nl/besnier/pub/Polynesian_Gender_...


Shutting down discussion of a topic that otherwise has merits because you got offended by the idea is how we got here.

If you don’t like it you’re not forced to offer a valid rebuttal. You have the option to disagree or not. But taking the easy way out by shutting down the conversation just makes the situation worse for everybody. Nobody was on a high horse until you went there.


No, beacuse if my alma mater loses it's endowment where will the fightin' sharks or whatever play?




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