1. I want the people who built and own corporations to be able to decide what they pay their staff. If the Delaware judge wants to decide what Tesla employees get paid, she can do - but she needs to own enough of the company to have that decision-making power.
2. That's not what I said. I just said that we need to wait until all the facts and strategy emerges, rather than going on a few statements by individuals who are not (or no longer) involved in Tesla
3. Yes, as confirmed by Musk in the earnings call.
4. It used to be. It's not any more, because it's open to all carmakers, as I said
5. Well financed maybe. Fisker, Nikola, Rivian etc - they all got surprising amounts of financing. That doesn't mean they've displaced Tesla, or come anywhere near displacing Tesla. I'd advise you to read the news about Tesla competitors, both legacy and new - look how many BEVs they're shipping vs Tesla, and look at their margins on each vehicle sold. I think you might be surprised at how far Tesla leads the field
6. I gave the carbon-wrapped motor as an example of Tesla innovations. It's one of many. The refreshed Model 3 is also an example of how Tesla is improving products. You claimed Tesla is "failing" to improve products. There are many counterexamples that refute that statement
7. X bled advertisers yes. But it's still a great social network, and that's all I care about. Elon didn't buy Twitter in order to make money. He bought it because the West needs a platform that prioritises free speech (as far as legally possible). X.com is imperfect but it's an improvement on Twitter. I don't care if it's "downgraded by banks." The whole point of Elon owning Twitter is that it no longer serves the interests of a few powerful people and institutions, and instead is an inclusive platform for people across the political spectrum.
8. Musk co-founded OpenAI. If he was "minimally involved" he wouldn't be listed as a co-founder. PayPal used to be called "X.com" Guess who owned that domain name? It was renamed to "PayPal" when Elon was ousted from the management structure. I'd recommend reading up on the history here. It's very interesting - lots of twists and turns.
1. Corporations are not unitary organizations; shareholders have rights and Delaware does a good job of protecting them within reason.
2. Statements by THE PEOPLE ON THE TEAM WHO WERE JUST FIRED have a lot more weight than an internet commentator saying "let's wait for the details to arrive."
3. Sure. Musk says a lot of shit that is completely divorced from reality...
4. Competing carmakers have adopted the connector, but will they be able to really leverage the ease of use that Tesla owners have? Plug in and go?
5. I'm talking about companies like VW Group, GM, Ford, Mercedes, Porsche, BYD. Not little startups.
6. The carbon wrapped motor was first discussed in 2016, and is on the Model S, possibly the lowest selling Tesla. If Tesla is going to take 8 years for every "innovation", they're going to be DOA.
7. A great social network, filled with bots, and Nazis. Elon didn't buy Twitter for any free-speech ideals, he was forced to buy Twitter because he couldn't control his impulses and made a stupid purchase offer that he couldn't weasel his way out of. Everything else is spin. And "inclusive" is hardly what most neutral observers would use to describe Twitter.
8. Is Musk still involved with OpenAI? No. Did he do more than spend a few bucks, no. Martin Eberhard has more claim to founding Tesla than Musk does with OpenAI. And you do know that Musk was FIRED because of his stupid idea to rename PayPal and make it into a WeChat clone.
Looks like you're still delusional. That'll happen when you get financially and emotionally invested in a guy like Musk.
1. A majority of shareholders voted for the original pay deal. They deserve to have their vote respected
2. I don't judge company strategy based on statements by disgruntled ex-employees. It would be naive to do so.
3. Things Musk says in shareholder meetings are SEC audited. So if he says the Model 2 is coming, it will come.
4. The Tesla Supercharger network is great. But it's not a competitive advantage as it's open to other brands.
5. As I said, compare the number of BEVs sold and the margins, whether we're looking at startups or legacy auto. Come back to me when you've found one that comes close to Tesla in Q1 2024 sales and margins.
6. You're arguing in bad faith. As I said, the carbon-wrapped motor is just one example of innovation, and the Model 3 Highland is just one example of product improvement. Your point was that Tesla "failed" to improve their products. That point is easily disproven.
7. X.com is not filled with bots and Nazis in my experience. If it was, I wouldn't use it. What data do you base your argument on?
8. Eberhard hadn't sold a single production vehicle at Tesla. Elon Musk was co-founder, chairman, product architect and the main source of funding when Roadster (Tesla's first car) was designed and produced. He oversaw the design of the Roadster from the beginning. Musk won the Global Green 2006 product design award and the 2007 Index Design award for the design of the Roadster. Not Eberhard. Musk. Production of the Roadster started in 2008, a year after Eberhard had been replaced at Tesla.
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Let's not accuse each other of being "delusional" - let's learn from each other and contribute to a healthy conversation.
2. That's not what I said. I just said that we need to wait until all the facts and strategy emerges, rather than going on a few statements by individuals who are not (or no longer) involved in Tesla
3. Yes, as confirmed by Musk in the earnings call.
4. It used to be. It's not any more, because it's open to all carmakers, as I said
5. Well financed maybe. Fisker, Nikola, Rivian etc - they all got surprising amounts of financing. That doesn't mean they've displaced Tesla, or come anywhere near displacing Tesla. I'd advise you to read the news about Tesla competitors, both legacy and new - look how many BEVs they're shipping vs Tesla, and look at their margins on each vehicle sold. I think you might be surprised at how far Tesla leads the field
6. I gave the carbon-wrapped motor as an example of Tesla innovations. It's one of many. The refreshed Model 3 is also an example of how Tesla is improving products. You claimed Tesla is "failing" to improve products. There are many counterexamples that refute that statement
7. X bled advertisers yes. But it's still a great social network, and that's all I care about. Elon didn't buy Twitter in order to make money. He bought it because the West needs a platform that prioritises free speech (as far as legally possible). X.com is imperfect but it's an improvement on Twitter. I don't care if it's "downgraded by banks." The whole point of Elon owning Twitter is that it no longer serves the interests of a few powerful people and institutions, and instead is an inclusive platform for people across the political spectrum.
8. Musk co-founded OpenAI. If he was "minimally involved" he wouldn't be listed as a co-founder. PayPal used to be called "X.com" Guess who owned that domain name? It was renamed to "PayPal" when Elon was ousted from the management structure. I'd recommend reading up on the history here. It's very interesting - lots of twists and turns.