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Yandex is also pretty good, they have their own index and it's a lot better than Google on political stuff (as long as the news isn't too recent) and any sort of torrent site.


I don’t think anyone in their right mind is advocating severing ties with the USA to get closer to Russia.


A lot of people whoa re boycotting some American goods are quite likely to buy Chinese instead so why not?

Also, in terms of privacy Russia and the Western countries will not cooperate - so Yandex or the Russian authorities will not be able to get much information on us, nor will anyone in the West get as much information from Yandex as they would from a Western search engine.


Part of the reason Europeans want to shun the USA is that it is sidling up with Russia.


True. Personally I have thought a change like this inevitable for a long time. The big threat to the US is China. Russia may even be potential ally against China in the long term and is no real threat to the US.

Russia is something of a threat to Europe (especially Eastern Europe), but China is a lot less of a threat to us than it is to the US.

In many ways European countries are sliding slowly into a closer relationship with China. In the UK (where the Russian threat is pretty distant) the government is allowing Chinese influence in universities, politics and business (universities that are transparently apologists for China), despite many warnings and spy/bought influence scandals. It seems to be even worse in other European countries.

I think the future holds an American lead alliance to counter China. It will contain multiple Asian countries, but I would not bet on which way European countries will go (and even whether they all pick the same side).


https://images.app.goo.gl/TACTypB6AnUtAgku6

(Funnily, this comic was nigh impossible to find on Google, but turned up on the first search attempt on Yandex)


That means I’m nuts, or what? The OP was right, Yandex is way better compared to Google when searching for politically sensitive stuff, and they don’t seem to have that much of recency bias as the Google search index has, which I found to be a good thing, but on the whole Google’s search is still slightly better, I would say. More convenient, at least, thanks to the deep integration within Chrome.


Using Yandex is the sanest option for me, too, as it feels more like 2014 Google than any other search engine. i.e. I've found it will turn up old blogs, dodgy forums, torrents, which are buried or censored on American search engines.

I'm in the UK, and don't really care that Yandex is Russian. I don't like their politics, I don't like Google's politics either. Yandex just gives me the results I want rather than obscuring them.


Bingo ! Anything considered too politically sensitive in the west (you know what I'm talking about) can easily be researched on Yandex.

Wanna find dirt about the west ? Use Yandex. Wanna find dirt about the kremlin ? Use Google/Bing/Whatever.


> Anything considered too politically sensitive in the west (you know what I'm talking about)

Actually I don't. Can you give an example of something censored by Google in the west the same way Russia openly censors it's anti-war voices domestically?

https://www.reuters.com/technology/yandex-warns-russian-user...

https://dfrlab.org/2022/03/31/yandex-suppresses-ukraine-war-...


> you know what I'm talking about

Can you be more specific?


(I’m not the guy you replied to) but Google has like 8 ad-friendly approved sources you may get news from, which are all anti-Trump sources. It can be impossible to find news stories unfavorable to democrats without appending the name of conservative outlets on the end.


Can you give an example of what “politically sensitive stuff” means here? Without context it contains multitudes…


I certainly will, thanks for the plug.


Europeans will not start using a Muscovite search engine.

(Edit: R -> Muscovite)


Kagi is using it for image search and a lot of people do use Kagi


I do hope you realise that there’s subjective and then there’s “‘a lot’ of people use Kagi” subjective :)


That I do. I should have writen that after my morning coffee.


Is there a difference anyways between Russian and Muscovite? After all, Muscovites imposed their culture forcefully all over Russia as much as they could.


Not all of Russia.

And I think it is a reminder to the people of Dagestan, Buratia, Altai, Bashkortorstan etc that they allow themselves to be taken advantage of and killed by a tribesman from the plains.


The reactionary spirit among the Western technical elites never ceases to amaze me, it shouldn't by this point, but it still does.


It still seems very moderate compared to the fascist imperialist spirit amongst the elite (and majority of the overall population) of that other country..


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If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck then what do you think it might be?

So because Russians did something right* 80 years ago they have a permanent moral high ground in perpetuity?

How does that make any sense?

*of course let’s not get into how WW2 started and how would Germany would have had a much harder time defeating France with their horse powered military without massive Soviet support..).


Yes and let us remind ourselves that they only did this once they were themselves backstabbed by the Nazis that they very eagerly allied with just 2 years prior. In fact, they happily divvied up Poland with said Nazis. There is no doubt about Russia's intentions for Eastern Europe had the Ribbentrop-Molotov alliance held.

You must be trolling to try and come here preaching that Russia were good guys in WW2.


I’d guess Stalin’s idea was to fund (literally, Germany wouldn’t have had enough oil without the Soviets) the nazi invasion of France and then swoop and “liberate” Europe after a couple of years of brutal WW1 style fighting.


A lot changes in 80 years, and fascism and communism are both totalitarian ideologies.


Communism gave my parents and (younger) me free Education, free Healthcare and very cheap Housing, I don't care about its supposed totalitarianism, I just want that back, can I?


Depending on where live now you can try asking for asylum in North Korea? They’d probably love a western defector in a time like this.

Also you want what back? To be younger? Because all of those things are available in much of western world.

You might say “housing” but while it was technically cheap in the USSR it was extremely limited. There was never enough housing for everyone and multiple generations often had to live in tiny “affordable” apartments.


Hm, that seems like a false dichtonomy.

Why could it not be both?


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Do you lack the general sense of time and can’t tell if we’re living in the 1940s or 2020s?

Surely Russia can’t be imperialist wither because they defeated Napoleon back in 1813? (your “argument” makes about as much sense).


the Brits defeated Napoleon, and that's why there never was a British empire.


Well of course. They saved Europe from tyranny. It would be the definition of historical revisionism to claim they could do anything wrong after that.

Also I wouldn’t say that Waterloo was more important than Leipzig or Napoleon’s trip to Moscow.


"We fought Nazis once, so we can't be Nazis ourselves"? Sounds... Interesting...


You may be right? It was written in anger.


It takes a lot to admit one's missteps! Appreciate the gesture, as an innocent byreader


This is precisely why I lost all respect for the West in the last couple of years and am now cheering on Putin's propaganda that is deepening divisions in your own societies. It's obvious you'd like nothing more than to carve up our country and destroy our culture — which the people of Siberia, Caucasus, and all other regions have significantly contributed to. But you know fuck all about that because your knowledge of Russia is based on news headlines.

Now I really hope he's successful, so this will come back at you.


You held respect previously and this is what caused you to lose it? Or you never held respect and use whatever to feed you?


Didn't Yandex RU divest and its now EU owned in Europe? could be a thin shell of course.


No. Original owner of Yandex (Arkady Volozh) sold Yandex to a group of Russian investors (approved by the government) and left with small number of assets in a form of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nebius_Group Everything else that people usually associate with Yandex (search, mail, taxi, marketplace etc.) remains under Russian ownership.


Thanks for the correction.


Based on what's being commented here - some absolutely will. And sitting on the eastern border of EU, that truly scares me.


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Yeah, USSR focused on terrorizing their own people instead.


"Their own" in the same way as people of India were English.


Non sequitur


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Yeah well, I can't edit or delete the comment now unfortunately, and seems like i can't flag my own comment.

There are certainly things to discuss here, but not the right forum.


yandex is very very good. i wonder why is not used more.


There are certainly some areas where it's not as strong, and I find the anti-bot filter is exceptionally aggressive. That said it does feel like one of the best alternatives. Google has gotten so aggressive about pushing ads or ad-friendly sources it can be impossible to find the content I'm looking for




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