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Funny how, when a policy that was considered completely crazy a few years ago is introduced, there will be an army of people trying to find every justification for that policy to become normalized.


A lot of people derive their politics not from principles, but from association. If my Team is for it and opponents are against it, then I am for it.


Yes and I believe this one of the most problematic aspects of representative democracies. Policies are often complex so hardly anyone has the time to educate themselves on all policies of a party, instead many revert to the other extreme and simply cheer for their team.

An interesting concept to alleviate this problem has been pioneered in Melbourne local politics is citizen councils.


My Google skills are failing me here — can you provide a link, and/or some more search terms, regarding these citizen councils? Is it specific to Melbourne municipal council or other Victorian LGA’s?


The correct term seems to be citizen assemblies (apologies). Here's a link: https://www.newdemocracy.com.au/independent-citizens-assembl...


I only ever hear this used by people who insist that bad faith interlocutors just need to be given a 10th chance to make their point.

No one has infinite time or attention.


TFA is merely an historical overview, not an argument for or against.

The conclusion is: "We'll see".

One might argue that the sight in question tends toward the Trumpian side of things in general, I suppose.


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What does that have to do with the article, please?

I should have thought this site a little better than "guilt by association".


Well, the article contains straight up lies meant to advance conservative agenda, so probably a lot.


Where? Was there anything substantial on offer, or are your replies so many crude fragments from the Argument Clinic?


The whole German cars point is based on "VAT is an import tax" lie. That is pure lie, VAT is exactly the same for German made cars. It is sales tax.

I am using the word "lie" rather then "mistake" because it is well know and easy to double check. No way they do not know.


Maybe lie is too strong a term. Having said that, the article suggests that US cars don’t sell in Europe due to tariffs, ignoring the fact that vehicles like the Ford F-150 just don’t work in the small streets of most European cities.


Guilt by association? Have you looked at that site? Here’s an excerpt from an adjacent article: “Is it common sense to open the borders of your country and then to spend truckloads of taxpayer dollars to feed, house, and nurture the millions of illegal migrants who have poured in?” Every other article fellates Trump and talks about how Tucker Carlson showed us that Jan 6 was peaceful and other unhinged if not outright bad faith writing. Jesus fucking christ, talk about common sense…


You also have the crazies that initially advocated for the policy now reversing their positions.


Policies don't just appear from the aether; it takes quite a big push to get a government to move in one direction or another. They are sedentary beasts by nature. So it is a safe bet that every implemented policy has a number of people who quite like it, but the community that likes it may well be considered fringe up until they prove to have the numbers and get their preferred policy implemented.

Every flavour of economics enjoys some level of widespread support, there are still a bunch of people who profess a commitment to Marxism. Nobody listens to them (hurrah!) but they're still there. If we had Marxists in charge their articles would probably get a lot more traction though because people want to know what is going to happen next. Ditto things like the gold standard, fiat currency, ultra-low taxes, ultra-high taxes, globalism and economic independence strategies.

TLDR; there is probably a strong selection bias here.


Funny how, both sides read this and think it's the other side you're referencing.




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