What did humanity do to get around before the 20th century?
I'm not sure that autophil is advocating eliminating cars and roads altogether. Maybe he is. But it seems legitimate to be concerned about removing one limiting factor of car use--the patience and stamina of the driver. A 90 minute each way commute would be possible for more drivers, which isn't necessarily a net benefit for humanity given the increased road use, increased construction further from urban areas, and increased energy use, even assuming these self-driving cars become entirely electric.
I'm as fascinated by self-driving cars as anyone and believe self-driving cars have a useful place, but it's good to question the consequences.
StCredZero's law of unintended consequences: There will be unintended consequences. The more energy, technological, and computational facilities involved, the greater the unintended consequences.
Addendum: Not all unintended consequences are bad.
Most people wouldn't want a 90 minute commute even if they didn't have to actively drive much of the time. That's still 3 hours a day lost to sitting in a car, which isn't an ideal environment to do much of anything even if the car is driving itself.
But even if the commutes do inch up somewhat, that should be offset by new opportunities to save energy via algorithmic collaboration. Future generation self-driving cars could organize in all sorts of energy-saving ways that human drivers aren't practically capable of doing (eg. self-driving cars could intelligently draft one another).
Concerned, sure. But also optimistic at the same time. That same 90 minute limiting factor you mention has also contributed to bad things, like the weakening/breaking of many social connections including but not limited to extended families. How many people would visit their several-hours-distant parent(s) more if it were as easy as sleeping in a self-driving bed-car to travel and waking up there Saturday morning for a weekend stay.
And if the increased energy usage is among the underlying concerns, then consider that a business person traveling for work, were they able to use the sleeper-car idea and arrive wherever the next morning (wasting no waking time with the traveling), will prefer that option in numerous plausible scenarios. So such cars can also reduce the amount of energy used on other forms of travel.
I'm not sure that autophil is advocating eliminating cars and roads altogether. Maybe he is. But it seems legitimate to be concerned about removing one limiting factor of car use--the patience and stamina of the driver. A 90 minute each way commute would be possible for more drivers, which isn't necessarily a net benefit for humanity given the increased road use, increased construction further from urban areas, and increased energy use, even assuming these self-driving cars become entirely electric.
I'm as fascinated by self-driving cars as anyone and believe self-driving cars have a useful place, but it's good to question the consequences.