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I live with amazing technology all around me, and I often take it for granted. But whenever I take mebendazol (against e.g. pinworm) I think about my ancestors, and how they just had to live with it!


Your ancestors probably had plant-based cures like garlic or walnut hulls for the same infections. Modern medicine improved on the spectrum of parasites that can be treated but there's still some caveman-level stuff that works reliably for some species.


Fasting + salts would work to reduce parsite populations too?


Why are you taking anti-parasitics regularly?


b/c he lives someplace where people get parasites regularly? Also b/c it is cheaper and easier to treat for parasites (take a pill) than to test and then treat (visit a doctor, get a prescription, take a pill).

Many parasites are endemic to the southern USA. As a child I was checked for parasites every year. Most modern doctors I've met are negligent in this regard. Under questioning several have stated that it is unimportant. Some doctors assert incorrectly that blood tests would reveal any significant parasitic infestation. I always correct them but I also change doctors b/c medical school seems to "harden" the brain - nothing new can be learned once they have graduated.

Ever walk barefoot across the lawn?

Ever eat uncooked fish/flesh/sushi?

Ever own/pet a cat?

If so, you might want to get tested!8-))

Neglected Parasitic Infections: What Family Physicians Need to Know—A CDC Update:

https://www.aafp.org/pubs/afp/issues/2021/0900/p277.html


At least in the US parasite risk from sushi is very low because nearly all seafood sold/served is put through a deep freeze cycle.

But if you're slicing up something you just caught that could be an issue. It's a concern with hunting/game as well. Most people who get trichinosis in the US get it from eating bear apparently.


I crossed bear off my menu a long time ago! To my chagrin, the bears did not reciprocate.


A bear has eaten you?


They’d try if you let them :)


He got better!


That's his cross to bear.


Ever walk barefoot across the lawn?

In my case it was getting mud into my mud boot from interacting with an aggressive horse. It took me a while to figure out the thing on my foot was not fungal but a parasite. Ivermectin horse paste cleared it up but I also have FenBen just in case I missed one. Most of them exited on their own after applying acetic acid.


> Ever own/pet a cat?

As far as i know, current medical advice is not to treat toxoplasmosis (except in exceptional situations like if you have AIDs) so im not sure what the benefit of getting tested would be.

Unless you mean other parasites.


Not OP but one reason is having young kids that can’t help bringing home everything that is spreading in daycare/kindergarten


Are there areas in the developed world where this is common? I’ve never heard of anyone regularly taking anti parasitic medication because their kids kept bringing home parasites from daycare. I had a friend whose son was prescribed medicine for pinworms once when he was fairly young (mostly as a precaution).


  Pinworms are particularly common in children, with prevalence rates in this age group having been reported as high as 61% in India, 50% in England, 39% in Thailand, 37% in Sweden, and 29% in Denmark. [1]
Remember that

  prevalence is the proportion of a particular population found to be affected by a medical condition (typically a disease or a risk factor such as smoking or seatbelt use) at a specific time.
So it is not just that percentage has had it at any point in their life, it is that percentage that has it at any time.

And yes, kids. Pinworm is literally called 'children worm' here.

1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinworm_(parasite)#burkhart200...


That’s interesting, thanks. Looks like it’s 11%-ish in the US which is lower than the other cited countries but still more common than I would have guessed.


If you’re a suburban kid, GenX or later you may have missed the peaks. In the 60s, it was more like 35-45% of kids.

Things like rules for handwashing and standards for things like residential plumbing improved hygiene and reduced ringworms. Many urban and rural households didn’t have things we take for granted like hot water!


Millennial. But I was thinking less about my own childhood and more about never treating my kids or (with the one exception) hearing of friends treat theirs.

> ringworms

Typo? Ringworm is fungal despite the name.


Doh! Missed the edit window. I’ll blame Siri dictation ;)


https://cks.nice.org.uk/topics/threadworm/background-informa...

NICE estimate 20-30% of kids 4-11 have an infestation. I have three kids in this bracket and yeh this tracks


Huh. Have the numbers gone up since the 80s? Worms are not something I ever heard about as a child, teen, or twenty-something.

That said, I also had a kid in the 00s and my friends have kids now, and nobody has mentioned getting worms.


I had worms as a kid once in the nineties, I ate some cookies I found buried in the sand on the playground.

It’s not super common (if you live in Europe) but it happens.

Meanwhile my friends who grew up in a tropical country they had to take anti-worm meds regularly.

It depends a lot on your circumstances


It is actually extremely common in Europe (as I linked to in a sibling chat), with 30-40% of kids having it at any time.

With those rates, my guess is that you probably had it several times, but just thought your bum was itching for no reason (or you were one of the asymptomatic cases). I think the awareness of it has gone up, now it's common to let the kindergarten know if you suspect it in your child, and they send a message to the other parents.


To be blunt you do not get it from eating cookies in sand. You get it from ingesting pinworm eggs, you ingest them by someone touching their bum (where the worms lay eggs) and then touching something that you then touch and touch your face/mouth, or scratching your own bum in your sleep then scratching your face / mouth.

If you don’t think it’s super commen in Europe it’s generally a lack of diagnoses. Literally 1/5th Of British kids have it at any given time (and I imagine that tracks across Europe and USA at least)


Asymptomatic infestation is very common… no one likes to talk about pinworms but it’s pretty likely any kids you meet have it.


Yes, it’s fairly common infection in children. I mean they don’t wash carefully their hands, they put everything in their mouth - it would be a real surprise if they would not catch it.


I believe I know an immune-compromised adult who was taking anti-parasitics for more than two years due to workplace (care context) reinfections. I say “believe” because these are two things people talk about in coded, careful ways. It might be a little more common than polite conversation ever really reveals.

For example if you know anyone who raised early concerns about antivaxxers causing short supply of ivermectin formulations for human use during the pandemic. More or less anyone who knew what ivermectin was at that point in time was either a farmer, a vetinarian, a doctor… or a patient with a condition.




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