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"cut those cops strangling that guy over bootleg smokes some slack, they have a tough job"

These sorts of don't hate the cogs hate the machine takes are worthless because they create an instant exploit where the machine can be as bad as it wants as long as it hides behind the cogs.



> because they create an instant exploit where the machine can be as bad as it wants as long as it hides behind the cogs.

The exploit is already there whether or not you blame the cogs. Did blaming the cogs in this instance solve anything? Are disability benefits reformed in any way?


Cogs receiving abuse (which in this case is a scary word for "feedback from the public who is paying you and is unhappy with your process") _do_ cause the system to change. It's really not that much different from writing angry letters to Congressmen:

One letter "doesn't do anything", but a surprisingly small number of letters does. And the one Congressmen "can't do anything", but usually a small number of Congressmen can sway real change. HN often advocates writing angry letters to Congress because it understands this dynamic.

You will never be allowed to talk to the people who made the fax policy; they hired people like Karen specifically to make sure that doesn't happen. The person who can talk to management is... Karen.

These systems usually settle into a steady state where the interface with the public receives an acceptable amount of abuse. I guarantee that if a few people a month did what OP claims to have done, they'd figure out how to take docs over email pretty quickly.


In fact, writing to your Congressional rep is probably the way to solve this.

They usually offer "casework" services where a staffer will facilitate their constituent's interactions with federal agencies. This would probably help get the OP's specific issue solved AND make the legislators aware of the problem more generally. My impression is that agencies are often pretty responsive to these things: nobody wants to be on a senator's bad side.


>They usually offer "casework" services where a staffer will facilitate their constituent's interactions with federal agencies. This would probably help get the OP's specific issue solved

That's almost worse because what it creates is a system that abuses everyone by default and only when someone cries to their politician does it shape up.


I guess this depends on whether you think the system was deliberately designed to be “abusive” or has evolved some blind spots/legacy issues.

In this case, I’d guess “fax in your documents” was, long ago, meant to be an improvement over having to mail them in. It wasn’t chosen to be intentionally inconvenient. The system—or perhaps the laws it operates under—could certainly be modernized and your rep is well-positioned to nudge that along.

Likewise, I doubt the rudeness was a matter of policy. At a business, you’d ask to speak with the manager. Here, YOU via your rep are the manager and this is how you get your say.


> _do_ cause the system to change

And saying it doesn't is like saying "my one piece of litter won't make the park dirty". Just because you can't see the effect one instance has doesn't mean that it isn't meaningful when added all up.


> And saying it doesn't is like saying "my one piece of litter won't make the park dirty".

Regardless it doesn’t matter in the end. Because you don’t litter, I don’t litter, vast swaths of the population don’t litter

Yet still, I routinely see otherwise nice parks around me trashed.


and likewise, "hate the cogs" takes are equally worthless. All nuance is lost, the cycle repeats again.


Yeah and wayyy more importantly cops don't get fired for not escalating and killing a guy!


What good does hating the cogs do though? Make noise to the people who can change the machine.


Not that I'm entirely onboard with it, but often you don't have a channel to communicate with "the people who can change the machine", only the cogs in the machine.


When you hate the machine as a whole, the cogs are also in scope.


It gives you satisfaction. That's the whole value and it can be worth a lot to not hold bitterness long after the problem has passed. I agree with your parent. The cogs are part of the machine, they don't deserve any sympathy just because they chose to do bad things for money any more than a robber deserves sympathy because he's poor.


> The cogs are part of the machine, they don't deserve any sympathy just because they chose to do bad things for money

That's a bit of a stretch saying that someone who enforces the rules around disability for a job is doing bad things for money. These same rules filter out a lot of scammers that if not stoped would mean less money going to the right people.

It's also a low skill low pay job, probably worked by a large percentage of people who are close to the poverty line and just trying to make ends meet to support a family.


Depends on your goal. If you want a better machine maybe hating the cogs doesn't help.

If you goal is to not have a machine at all for some particular thing, then potentially no one wanting to work a job that does that thing might be an effective way of abating the machine from doing that.

Although inconveniencing bureaucrats handling disability benefits is probably a poor starting point no matter what your opinion is.


It increases costs for the machine, and eventually it realizes that cogs are cheaper when they're not getting yelled at all day.




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