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Tell me you're an American that lives in a 100% car dependent community without coming right out and saying it. Say no more, we get it.


Australia.


Australian public transport is pretty good in my experience. I certainly don't expect to be stabbed or sit in piss.



Am European, at least in the big cities, public transport is mostly not worth using unless you are too poor to afford better options.

Too crowded, too hot, there’s a decent chance of arriving at your destination drenched in sweat. Not to mention how absolutely gross the people sitting next to you will often be.

I’ll happily take a few parking fines every day rather than getting in the tube.


I could afford a car and I also live in a big European city. But a car is a huge hassle here. Just trying to figure out where to park the thing every time is a huge stressor. I'm so glad I don't have to deal with that anymore. Nor the fuel, the fines, the maintenance, the insurance, the road tax, the parking fees all that stuff. I could afford it but I'd rather spend it on something I actually enjoy.

Public transport here costs a fixed fee a month for which I couldn't even top up a quarter tank.


I need only one crowded Tube ride without air conditioning before a meeting for the total cost of car ownership to appear like an incredible bargain.


Oh the tube here has aircon everywhere. A bit too much even, you get this cold shock every time.


It sounds like a dream. Well air-conditioned public transport can certainly be a wonderful experience. I was a huge fan of the MTR when living in Hong Kong.

Unfortunately those implementations are far from the norm though, but of course all of these networks are seeing gradual upgrades.


How about in European big cities where that is not the case? Prague, London, Prague, Budapest, Zurich, Madrid, Berlin, Vienna…? So many people, especially not particularly poor people, use them to commute every single week. Notoriously, for some of these cities, it is slower to travel by car for your commute.


I live in London, temperatures in excess of 30C are frequent on the Tube. If I’m going to or coming from the gym, that’s fine. Otherwise it really isn’t.

The metro in Prague is indeed good, it’s just not a big city.

Zurich also has excellent public transport, but it’s really a village at best.

Madrid has Barcelona beat, but still occasionally suffers from a lack of air conditioning frequently leading to absurd temperatures.


I also live in London and never specified underground or trains only for any of these cities. Buses also cheap and air conditioned.

Also 2-4 months at best out of the year is not a great argument for public transportation not being the better option compared to cars and parking that don’t scale.

Side note, Elizabeth, District, Circle, Hammersmith & city, and Metropolitan lines where many people work are air conditioned. So are the trains to paddington and St. Pancras from any “village” outside of the London zones. This summer especially it’s been good for me.


Don’t get me wrong, there’s a plenty of good public transport in London. I’m just of the opinion that unless you happen to live on a particularly good route, the experience is too inconsistent.

I love the trains, Gatwick express is downright brilliant.

> Also 2-4 months at best out of the year is not a great argument for public transportation not being the better option compared to cars and parking that don’t scale.

Temperatures in packed tube carriages are very high no matter the time of the year, the bodies of the passengers alone put out sufficient heat.

When the AC works, that’s fine. My experience is that it fails far more often than I’m willing to accept.


TIL Zurich is a village


There’s not even half a million people living in Zurich; it is absolutely tiny, which is basically the entirety of its charm.


Nobody uses it, it's too crowded


People mostly use it because they can’t afford the better options.

McDonald’s is also extremely popular, as are Coca Cola and Bud light.


I extensively use public transit. While the cost savings are certainly nice, it is just soo much more comfortable.

Today I spent half my workday on a train going +200km/h to visit my parents. The alternative would have been an excruciating 6 hour car drive


> Today I spent half my workday on a train going +200km/h to visit my parents. The alternative would have been an excruciating 6 hour car drive

You are describing an experience which couldn’t be further from the norm in Europe.


high speed trains, that can go up to about 350kmph/200mph, are the norm in Europe if you're going a long distance across France or Germany, but they're not daily public transit for most people just like flying isn't.


How can it be crowded if nobody uses it?


It’s a famous “Yogi-ism”[0]

> On why he no longer went to Ruggeri's, a St. Louis restaurant: "Nobody goes there anymore. It's too crowded.”

0: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yogi_Berra


that's the point.




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