What "pain" are you talking about? You keep trying to smuggle this framing in. I don't accept the premise.

No smuggling needed. The original poster and I are on the same page and I suspect you’re just playing games to avoid hard questions.

I’m assuming from that that fly.io may not have a great work culture.

What a weirdly hostile and offensive response. I'm always struck by people who think they can namedrop my employers to shut down an argument, like we're just going to believe and profess whatever keeps people on message boards from being mean about the company.

But, no, I feel like throughout this thread I've been pretty consistently putting a question to you (what exactly do you mean by "pain" or mistreatment, given the original comment described other professionals having norms developers seem now to be recoiling from).

We can be done, though, obviously.

Nah it’s relevant, because if you hold these views to the point that you’re willing to avoid answering the question then obviously your world view is warped in what even you would consider a negative direction and therefor it’s important that others get a chance to be steered away from a potentially negative experience.

And to be fair, I don’t know what you expect when you advertise your place of work and then insensitively play games with serious subject matter on public message boards. I think the kids call that a self own.

But I agree, you don’t seem willing to put in writing what you’ve conveyed so this isn’t a growth experience for anyone.

reading through this it is obvious what the "pain" is and it does come across as you just avoiding the question. Just sayin

Maybe you can answer the question then. Is it "having performance judged by output rather than by process or satisfaction"?