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> You already conceded that..

May apologies, but I intended to convey the opposite when I said this. I’ll read the rest of this comment later.

> My position is that there must be something wrong with the idea that a behaviorally identical simulation can be made which is not conscious. I think this because I do think phenomenal consciousness is playing a role in behavior, since surely my consciousness is a cause of memories of my consciousness (certain structure of physical matter in my brain has been caused by my consciousness); this is called the self-stultification argument against epiphenomenalism.



OH! Sorry - that's a different position then. Let's address it:

So you think a computer can't simulate a human brain.

But why do you think so? We've never found a physical system we can't simulate with a computer (and believe me, Searle and Penrose have tried).

Given there's no evidence that this is even possible, and for which you have no evidence to support it - you still believe computers can't simulate brains?

Why?

I think this is an even greater stretch than before.


I have given my reasons. I will try again.

You are fundamentally assuming all real concepts are reducible to arbitrary substrates like language. I believe there are real concepts which are not, like qualia. The entire premise of your belief is on this assumption I think but I don’t think you are aware that there is in fact an assumption here.


To reiterate -

You insist that computers cannot effectively simulate brains despite:

1) there being no evidence for such,

2) it would be the first ever situation we've discovered, and

3) there are strong arguments that it's not even logically consistent.

If I'm mistaken please tell me where.


1) This is not really a strong charge since it hasn’t been done anyway and I don’t think you really expect me to prove a negative.

2) I see no problem here.

3) What is the strongest argument? I’ll double check our thread but I have yet to find any, otherwise I would change my position.




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