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This is exactly the point they're making though. This is an exercise only available to the privileged. It is not available to people who haven't worked in tech for some amount of time, if not actively working in tech or holding equity like the homesteader above us.

It takes for granted the concentrated specialization of production that is modern, "on-grid" cities to produce things like microprocessors and food safety and insulin. This lifestyle is not available to masses of people, and we have a word for a society where everyone lives off-grid: "hunter-gatherers".

There can be other value in doing this, like Hundred Rabbits' exploration of how tech itself could be made more resilient given different macroeconomic conditions / incentives. But talking about this as if it's about how The Man just doesn't want you to be an independent free thinker is a misunderstanding of why most people live in the societies that they do.

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Living somewhat independently is available to most people. Most people just don't want to make the tradeoffs to do it. You might have to give up stuff like electronics and move to a cheaper area you don't want to be in, but is is generally possible.

"But talking about this as if it's about how The Man just doesn't want you to be an independent free thinker is a misunderstanding of why most people live in the societies that they do."

Now apply these concepts to an individual who isn't being served by their society.


600 million Africans don’t have access to grid power. Are they privileged? Are they all “hunter-gatherers”?

No, they're in post-colonial conditions and intentionally prevented from developing economically via a relationship of economic dependence on the imperial core. And as a result, they can't produce their own chemotherapy, insulin etc. and have to import it from developed parts of the world system.

If the imperial core spontaneously disappeared, they would begin developing - and that development would take the form of centralization and specialization and state-driven investment in underdeveloped sectors. Look at what Burkina Faso is doing right now for example: they went from contracts with French companies to export gold and uranium for a thousandth of their market value to now climbing the value chain by developing their own gold refineries.

To keep the example but circle back to the original point: If you lived in a future Burkina Faso that successfully developed its economy, proposing that they go back to small-scale production with worse economies of scale would be a step backwards, and yes the logical conclusion of that in any country is hunter-gatherers. There can be other important learnings from doing this as a constrained experiment within a development model, like resiliency. But thinking this is a development model in itself is a cargo cult mentality that misunderstands industrial production as some evil external imposition on humanity rather than the system that proved most effective at feeding the most people.


Depending on how solar progresses, along with other renewables, "grid power" may become as archaic as running copper lines to people's houses so their phone can ring.

Only if there's more money in selling the replacement than in the status quo.



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