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So what company are people switching to? Namecheap used to be a reasonable choice -oh wait there is another thread with that discussion
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- Porkbun (see the thread below https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50144164)

- Cloudflare


Porkbun for me. I tried using CF's domain service and at least at that time it was hard for me to tell head from the tail on their interface. Hope that has changed. (I just wanted to distribute my domains between the two serices, otherwise Porkbun is fine as it is).

edit: I remember now – I could't even see pricing easily on their domains page and I still can't. If I am picking a domain registrar I'd rather pick just a domain registrar that does normal domain regisrar things (and preferably nothing else, or not much).


Porkbun is using surveillance tech to combat fraud now so I would be careful[0]

[0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47110362


Something to take note is domain transfers between Porkbun accounts requires ID verification now [1].

[1]: https://kb.porkbun.com/article/72-how-to-push-a-domain-into-...


Thanks for the heads up. Not a good outcome for a trusted domain provider like Porkbun

Why is that bad?

Sounds like a great way to prevent domain theft.


You either see the long term ramifications of data collection, Or you don't.

i get it but my domain is my livelihood i can show the domain registrar who i am.

That information doesn't stay with you domain provider. It's a 3rd party data collection system that will be used to surveil people eventually.

I could see Cloudflare randomly deciding that my single-employee company domain name needs an enterprise plan in a few years from now.

Domain names aren't the money maker for Cloudflare. Having the domain with them so that you'll eventually use them for other things is. That's why everything is at cost.

It's a great place to keep your domain names. Beyond that is up to you.


Right, their main money maker is $150k enterprise plans you gave them a large amount of leverage to declare you suddenly require.

Not really. I've had about 50 domains with them for the last few years and have never seen them reach out do to something like that.

But they can do it. And they have done it to some people. So you shouldn't give them that power.

How is that any different than any other domain registrar though? There's nothing stopping you from just moving the domain to another provider if it's a problem.

Compared to the Namecheap and GoDaddy stories, Cloudflare has been a gift to use.


Does cloudflare support transferring domains? And you have to do it before your registrar extorts you, not when it happens.

I feel like you haven’t read how domain transfers work and are regulated. Cloudflare deciding to bill you for something else doesn’t affect your domain ownership or rights in any way. Should they ever make such a decision then you just transfer them to someone else.

Just like any other registrar, yes.

The process is standardized.


Wanted to dog pile on this - Godaddy gave away my entire account back when I was younger. I lost lots of domains, including my website, "strategywiki.org".

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38062595

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32470260

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24507411

Looks like I'll be transitioning off of Namecheap now too.


I lost a successful ecommerce domain to what seemed like a GoDaddy inside job. Now it points to an offshore casino...

You clearly gave your partners more access than necessary and the loss the result of your own foolishness.

I don’t know if there’s enough context in those links to say that anyone’s foolish.

I’ve got some domains in Cloudflare and some in Porkbun. No issues yet. I also like how straightforward Porkbun is while still supporting API automation and team accounts.

Cloudflare banned 8chan and Kiwifarms for political reasons.

What is political about mass murder or maliciously distributing stolen intimate photographs? Seriously. I want an answer.

Definition of politics: "the total complex of relations between people living in society", or in a particular sector, such as "office politics"

By that definition, every decision is political, which tells us nothing about whether Cloudflare's decisions were actually politically motivated.

Yes, most things are political

"Political reasons"

Kiwifarms is literally a doxxing site.


Porkbun was very pleasant to use, would definitely recommend them!

I wanted something in the EU, so I went with INWX - their UI is quite unintuitive/bad in my eyes though. I guess Hostinger/IONOS/Gandi/... would also be pretty popular for anyone like me.


I have good experiences with both porkbun and INWX as well. INWX could indeed use a UX update.

I used to use TransIP.nl and while they are still good, they’ve gotten expensive over the last few years.


Yes, TransIP is good, but expensive. I always liked their service, when you have questions getting an answer within the hour via their online support interface. But I'm migrating away now (esp. with VPS'es as the prices here are waaay too high). Using OVHCloud now.

Gandi used to be ok before they got PE'd. Now the prices are just ridiculous and I'm sure the enshittification will continue.

Amazon Route 53, Cloudflare and NearlyFreeSpeech

S&Ps use MarkMonitor.


+1 For Amazon Route 53 - one of the services that they don't nickel and dime you on.

Very surprised they don’t charge you per GB of DNS traffic and per million DNS requests

I was just checking them out as a possible place to move my DNS names to. Looks like it's a whopping $0.50/month if you use their nameservers per address, plus $0.40 per million queries, prorated, So probably tough to spend more than $1 a month on without having Google-scale and spending way more than that on servers.

They do the latter, it's $0.40 per million queries.

(And since the records are size-limited, per-GB is roughly the same thing.)

"Except for Alias A/AAAA records mapped to AWS services listed below, you incur charges for every DNS query answered by the Route 53 service."

https://aws.amazon.com/route53/pricing/


Yeah me too - they charge for name servers but I figured out after a while that Linode did the same thing for none of the cost.

But for domain registrations alone it's fine.


is not Amazon Route 53 more expensive than Cloudflare?

Cloudflare requires you use their name servers

I switched to Hover. Part of TUCOWS. Yes, that one [0].

[0] Tucows, which stands for "The Ultimate Collection Of Winsock Software"


I’ve seen many tucows domains which just stop being published for no apparent reason and it takes a support request to get them working again

Been using them for over a decade no problems fwiw

I've used them for like 15 years

joker.com

They have been around forever. I registered my first domain from them sometime during the early internet era.

i use joker.com and gigahost.no for .no

I like Hover.com a lot.

Based on just my multi-year experience with a reliable interface.

So anyone else with a view on the company might chime in. But I am writing this because I have been very happy with them. None of the glitchy inscrutable experiences so many companies manage/love to design into their services.

Oh, the checkbox that turns off automatic renewal can take a second or two to register. So not perfect, but close. If that sounds trivial, you have understood why I like them.


EasyDNS

CloudFlare

Then you need a new username

Dynadot

It asks you to choose 4 (four!) "secret questions" as a "security" measure. I decided that keeping your domains with an organization that insists on idiotic practices that are firmly forbidden by every sensible security practices guide (OWASP, NIST 800-63, anything, really) since like 2015 is not a very wise choice.

Tell that to the banks, alarm companies, etc that do the same thing :-/

I just always use a plausible but false and unique answer, which I just keep track of in my password manager.


mother's maiden name: 14t&7--ghv&32@/apER;Aa0)/90sIs

> mother's maiden name: 14t&7--ghv&32@/apER;Aa0)/90sIs

This isn't a good idea....

If using random text, there are many examples of, when asked to answer a secret question, telling the call centre droid "I just hit a few random keys for that one" and this being accepted.

You would do well to assume each call centre droid is a board kid more interested in his co-workers tits than your clever answers to security questions.


Good luck reading that out loud over the phone to technical support if you get locked out of your account.

Technical support sees the answer to the question in plain text, so after you read first three random characters correctly they will confirm your identity and then patiently wait until you finish reading.

Also my real mother maiden name is almost equally hard to comprehend for english-speaking tech support, so it doesn't make much of a difference.


If my mother's real maiden name is Johnson, I write in random false name like Smithers-James.

It's plausible, hard to guess, and harder to social enginer than "It's a bunch of random letters and numbers."


- I don’t get locked out of my account.

- Porkbun doesn’t have this bullshit, how do they get by?


You do you, but that is enough of a red flag to actually mention when somebody recommends Dynadot to everyone else without much elaboration.

Also, banks are really different from domain registrars in several important and relevant respects, but, for the record, I don't have to tell it to the banks I use, and if I did, I'd probably be looking for a bank that I don't have to tell it to.


Just since 2015? Also, thanks, now I feel old.

No, they also disabled a domain with 20k user subdomains without notice based on an abuse report that was weeks old and the site long disabled. Wouldn't trust them with a proper abuse process.

Porkbun

Yeah, I'm not waiting around for Namecheap to screw me, I'm moving to porkbun. They do all the stuff Namecheap does for me now.

I've been waiting for the "porkbun screwed me" stories, but haven't seen any yet.


There are in that very Reddit thread though.

Honestly, so far Porkbun haven't fucked me yet but sad to see them going down the same route as namecheap

Are there any decent non-US based domain provider remaining at all?


Mythic Beasts.

That is the actual name of the company, not a statement on the scarcity of decent non-US based domain providers.


Hover

njal.la

That is not actually a registrar - it's a proxy service that registers the domain for you and lets you use it.

They also make no secret they have a political slant and use their power to enforce it - they will defend a piracy website from legal attacks but they will take down a neonazi website even without receiving any letter about it.


but they will take down a neonazi website even without receiving any letter about it.

ok? Should we not be removing trash from the internet? A company shouldn't need to be told to take down hate speach.


I mention it just because it may bother some people. A lot of people are expecting a true free speech host.

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