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>What about MIT?

You see, omission is fun! Needless to say though, I am looking forward to hear what Abelson concludes concerning that.

> Do you think ordinary people draw an ethical distinction between changing a MAC address and more complex measures?

No, I do not think that ordinary people would. Once again, part of the problem.

> How about cultural differences?

I am not sure comparisons to the war on drugs does anything to alleviate my concern.

> Now whose being the lawyer?

Omitting MIT's position didn't tip you off? That's your trick, not mine.

> Does the fact that the trespassing charges were dropped change the fact that MIT didn't want people going into that closet?

In your one-sided "prosecutor sits down with his mother for some tea and justice" system? Yes, I think it is very relevant.

> 1) A prosecutor abusing her discretion to target someone for activity that people think are harmless.

> The correct answer here is (2).

Here is the deal. I think the prosecutor acted legally. I have no reason to suspect otherwise. More importantly, I think the prosecutor acted typically. I have no reason to suspect that this was the prosecutor lashing out in any sort of 'personal' way.

But more importantly than both of those, I think that the prosecutor acted unethically.

That position may be uncommon, but that coupled with your personal or professional disagreeance does not render it incorrect. The correct answer is (1) and (2).



I think we disagree fundamentally on the duties of prosecutors. In my mind, they are to stay within the bounds of the law and enforce the spirit of the law in a manner consistent with the attitudes of the general public. I don't expect more from them than to implement the "will of the people."

I think the drug war example is apropos. I don't really blame federal prosecutors over the last 30 years (say until the recent legalization efforts). They were acting consistently with the thinking of an entire generation of "just say no" and "zero tolerance" moms and dads.


Where does discretion fit into that?

Or, to be clear, do you think the correct amount of discretion was exercised when they went after Aaron with over a dozen felonies?

Is 35+ years in prison an ethical punishment for what he did, or isn't it? Is that what he deserved?


I don't think prosecutor discretion should be used to second guess the legislature and the public. I do not think it is appropriate for a prosecutor to say "this fits both the latter and the spirit of the law, but I don't think this is as serious of a crime as Congress does, so I will give it less than its full effect."

I do not think 35 years in prison would have been an appropriate punishment for what Swartz did, but he wasn't sentenced to 35 years in prison. Being charged with counts that could carry up to 35 years is totally different than being sentenced to that amount of time. Ultimately, sentencing is the domain of the judge, and in this case the judge never got to make the call. And I don't mean that in a legalistic sense--simply describing the status quo. It's the engineer in my that admires the division of responsibilities inherent in our system.


> It's the engineer in my that admires the division of responsibilities inherent in our system.

I don't know. I suppose I am just naturally suspicious of anything that allows someone to witness an injustice, take part in it, then wash their hands and declare that it wasn't their problem. Something about that just seems wrong to me.


If Congress, the grand jury, and the judge don't see something as an injustice, how is it the prosecutor's place to second guess them?


Every link in the chain is a chance for someone to stop injustice. If each link sees all the other links and says "eh, if it's important someone else will put a stop to it" then the system rapidly fails. (E.g., a President should not sign a law he thinks is unconstitutional because it's the SCOTUS's job to decide that.)

If we can't trust federal prosecutors with discretion because of past abuses, that's a specific and reasonable objection. But "other parties thought it was a good idea" dodges a lot. A prosecutor may be the first person available to witness how the law is being misapplied.


Good ol' superior orders.

As convincing as ever.




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