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> My main problem with these sentiments though is that Ubuntu still has marketing for some reason.

Yes, it tried to make Linux more "mainstream" and mostly succeeded. That is what happens when you have a ton of money you can throw at a problem.

http://arstechnica.com/business/2014/01/ubuntu-maker-boosted...

It is still losing double digit millions a year. Debian can't match that kind of loss.

I don't think Debian even has $20 million in a year in terms of donations? {not counting labor)



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