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You are ignoring the argument - a fundamental tenet of economics is there is a scarcity of resources - this is even more true with a startup, and, you need to make a decision as to where you will spend those incredibly limited resources.

The point being made is that in the beginning, the primary focus has to be getting traction with your potential customers.

Yes, you need to take make commercially reasonable efforts to secure your website, but, dedicating too much effort to prevent criminals from hacking you, to the point that you are not focussing on building your business, is counter productive. You may end up with a perfectly secure site that absolutely nobody is using - far better to have an incredibly popular site, that may have some security issues, that you can then lock down once you have the resources to do so.

But, this is about startups. CurrentC has millions and millions of dollars to spend - they have zero excuse for getting hacked.



Well, it depends on the cost of a breach, and the probability thereof. Those in turn depend on how you choose to calculate them.

If my company leaks our customer's e-mail addresses and plaintext passwords, how much cost is incurred? Is it a huge cost, because some of the customers have reused their e-mail password and they lose a bunch of personal data and accounts on dozens of sites? Or is it a small cost because they should have followed good security practices by using different passwords on different sites, so it's their fault they had more than an e-mail address leaked? Or is no cost incurred at all because hey, it's our customers not us who suffer from this. It's not like we're going to pay them any compensation!

Likewise, if there are hundreds of people scanning the web trying to exploit the security problem and it's easy to automatically detect, it's almost certain to get hit - on the other hand if it's difficult to find or exploit the risks may be lower. Of course, if you coded the bug in the first place, you might not be informed enough to assess this accurately.


The unfortunate truth is that the long-term costs to startups of compromised security is low because most people don't really care about it anyway. Target, Home Depot, Adobe, et al aren't seeing a massive loss of revenue due to being compromised.

There's a lot of press about incidents for a day or maybe three, it gets posted to HN and everyone has a <stuffy>very serious and very academic</stuffy> discussion about it, and within a week it's forgotten entirely.

People just don't care. It's nothing more than a temporary nuisance to most people. There aren't any consequences that seriously impacts anyone's life.

In the real world, startups are probably correct to focus first on new features and then patch security later. In an ideal world, that would be a mistake that would kill them.


Regarding Target, http://www.foxbusiness.com/industries/2014/05/21/target-post... and http://www.cbsnews.com/news/data-breach-costs-take-toll-on-t...

The costs to Home Depot i would argue are not known.

The danger to a startup in the payments business that gets breached before they open their doors could in fact have a long-lasting effect.

It's nothing more than a temporary nuisance to most people. There aren't any consequences that seriously impacts anyone's life. My friend who is an FDA consultant who gets called when medical device manufacturing lines get shut down would very much disagree with that statement.

The thing about the Adobe breach is that it hurts the ecosystem. Folks who put an email and a password out there that happened to use that same password for a bank or other critical resource are now more vulnerable. And the trick with the Adobe thing is that most of the folks that I surveyed that have emails out there don't remember signing up.

People just don't care. And that is the crux of the problem.




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