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"you're probably trying to install it on something obscenely old"

Or something new, like an SSD on which you're attempting to dual/triple boot.



Yeah, well, good point. My point was that a userfriendly distribution shouldn't present technical information that isn't absolutely vital. And it's really easy to find, by the way:

http://www.google.com/search?q=ubuntu+requirements


Disk space requirements aren't obscure technical information. Providing it wouldn't confuse anyone, especially not anyone adept enough to install an operating system. It should be provided.


It's right there on the features page. That takes fewer clicks than finding the requirements for Windows 7.


And I ask: is that the right place for System Requirements? And should that be the ONLY place it's mentioned? Is requiring space really a "feature"?


The difference between RAM & disk space continues to elude some, never mind megabytes versus gigabytes & now terabytes.


Yeah, I shouldn't have said it wouldn't confuse anyone, but it's still information that should be provided.


and has been ... ?


> Providing it wouldn't confuse anyone

You fail at UI. Any and all information always adds some cognitive load and confuses the user. Every time you think you should show the user something, you must figure out a very convincing reason why you should not just leave it out. There clearly isn't one for majority of users who are going to install ubuntu, and for the rest, googling for two easy words isn't going to be too much of trouble.


Disk space is required to install the OS. The alternative is letting the user download the .iso, burn it, then try to install only to have the installer complain about not having enough space. That is failing at UI. The additional cognitive load of reading a disk space requirement is negligible, especially compared to what someone who needed that information has to go through without it. You haven't even considered the possibility that a user might not think about how much space they have until they come across the requirement.

Not only are you wrong, but "You fail at UI" is a particularly abrasive way to be wrong.


> Not only are you wrong

I might well be wrong about whether it's worth it to show disk space or not. I have no problem admitting this, because I haven't done any studies about it.

> but "You fail at UI" is a particularly abrasive way to be wrong.

>The additional cognitive load of reading a disk space requirement is negligible

Apparently I was too abrasive, or not abrasive enough.

NO amount of cognitive load is negligible. Ever. When you design a dialog with two buttons that both have to be there, both of those buttons are creating a significant amount of cognitive load. Understanding this is largely why apple makes good UI's. You should never try to justify removing something from the UI -- you must instead always have very good reasons why NOT to remove something, and remove it by default if you can't find enough (not any).

As I said, I have not made any studies of how users install ubuntu or what they expect, but as it's supposed to be installed as the os on the computer, in place of whatever that was before, and as there is no commonly available commodity hardware that it won't install on, I can easily see how there is no longer enough justification to show disk space requirements.


> Apparently I was too abrasive, or not abrasive enough.

Just the first one.


Ok, let me revise my statement: the cognitive load of the requirement is only negligible in comparison to the frustration not including the requirement would cause.

Apple puts the disk space requirements in every single installer. Disk usage is an important piece of information. I'd agree with you if it were something like "Ubuntu requires a Pentium II or higher".


Hmmm... I guess I thought a userfriendly distro should be friendly to the user by providing me info I didn't know I needed to ask up front, and hiding things that are merely technically interesting or edge case. Disk space is probably the former. Asking me to "just google it" is probably not the response Ubuntu/Canonical or any other product would want.

BTW, since it crashed on install instead of catching that my partitions weren't large enough, that's a fail. But by merely providing the info on the DL page, they might have saved themselves some credibility loss as a "user friendly" distro.

But I do appreciate that you didn't throw a lmgtfy.com link in, which would have been really embarrassing for me.




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