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At the risk of being a moralizing bore, may I remind everybody that "Germany", "Greece" etc. are not people, and that people are not countries? I am surprised by the national coloring, however faint, of some comments here and there https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9835433. "I am a German" or "Greek here" should have no relevance to the ideas put forth. "Your money" and "your banks" are not really "my money" and "my banks" once I have paid the tax and don't own the bank!

The theory of complex systems reminds us that aggregates can have properties that are not traceable to any individuals themselves. Game theory tells us that incentives and constraints can get so messed up that developments take on an eigendynamic which was nobody's intent nor interest.

Please, be civilized and don't let yourselves be infected by nationalistic passions.

Your moralizing nanny...

(No seriously, I am starting to get concerned.)



Yes, we are interpreting the nations of individuals, rather than nations composed of many individuals.

If I buy a home and am forced to eat ramen to pay for it, that's entirely separate from my estranged uncle's mafia loan shark forcing me to eat ramen.

Modern day slavery - debt bondage - also passes from generation to generation. You don't choose where you are born.

This is a very complex and ambiguous situation.




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