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If you're using Windows to run a milling machine, you're doing it wrong. It's not Windows problem that you're using it inappropriately. That's like taking a 1990 Ford Taurus with 250k on it to a track day and then complaining that the engine blew up. Technically the engine did fail, but the driver should have known better.


Windows Embedded is quite common in factories where I live. What alternatives would you suggest that are vendor supported?


If your vendor thinks that Windows is an acceptable control for a CNC milling machine, consider another vendor. Yes vendors might choose to use Windows, and think that it's OK. But just because a vendor chooses to use Windows doesn't somehow make you obligated to buy it and suffer, does it?

Sure they might be the only vendor, or someone inside your organization might choose them anyhow despite your protestations. But that doesn't change the fact that using Windows for these kinds of things is foolish.

Just because big companies do it doesn't make it smart, does it? I mean, if it did, then startups wouldn't be able to exist would they? Startups are able to be a thing because big companies sometimes do stupid stuff.


They all use Windows. Mine use Windows NT4 and Windows XP. That's the industry. If you want industrial CNC machines you don't get a choice.


There's a tremendous difference between using Windows to run the GUI and using Windows to do the real-time control of the servos and various other hardware.

Most of the time these machines run a small microprocessor which receives commands over some port and interprets them as it is instructed to. This is what's called a "hard realtime" system as it always responds within a certain amount of time, guaranteed, provably as per the design.

What Tormach is doing is eliminating the dedicated gcode interpreter hardware/controller and performing those operations strictly in software, on a program running on a PC. There's some utility to that, but pretending that it's as good as having a dedicated, realtime gcode interpreter is not honest.


"force both Mach3 and Windows to restart."

I would guess Windows is used for the higher-level functionality (GUI, possibly format conversions), while Mach3 does the lower-level stuff that requires precise timing.

Adding a second OS makes sense as it makes it way easier to keep the real-time stuff real-time.

Using XP embedded for the top layer shouldn't be that big of a risk. It may have lots of known exploits, but you can remove lots of the attack surface, and an alternative GUI may not have seen much security auditing.


This is just ideology.


I'd argue it's actually more about practicality and reliability. Windows isn't particularly well-suited for hard-real-time situations (like, presumably, a CNC milling machine). This is an environment that's usually better suited to RTLinux, VxWorks, etc. or some one-off dedicated program written in something like Ada.




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