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Why is nothing being done about this? This is 1984 we were laughing about. USA laughed at China when they did the same, but when USA is doing the same people are not outraged shooting those down, painting over them. Am I missing something?
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people are in fact,

>> tracking locations of flock cameras (https://deflock.org/)

>> destroying/removing them (https://flockstats.org/)

>> litigating their use (https://www.aclu.org/campaigns-initiatives/get-the-flock-out)

What specific response from the general public would you like that it's arguably already happening?


> destroying/removing them (https://flockstats.org/)

Destroying 450 out of 130,000, ie 0.3%, is not sufficient to resist the imposition of a surveillance state. Americans pretty clearly do not care for freedom as much as they yap about.


I don't think it's that simple... the vast majority of people simply don't know what having Flock means in the first place besides "less crime".

They don't understand how it could personally affect them and hence why they should care.

The "nothing to hide" crowd never thinks about data harvesting, leaks, hacks, malware, viruses, corrupted employees or other threat actors using the data maliciously.

Manipulating leaked/stolen data is also an extremely easy way to frame someone because the accuracy of the data is almost never questioned.


Voting out those representatives that allowed flock cameras in their cities.

Ideal outcome in theory but let's be realistic here, change through voting takes years to propagate through a political system while corporate buildouts can take place within months.

First you have to vote out all the representatives that voted for the cameras. Then you have ensure the replacements vote to remove them. then you have to be prepared for potentially years of litigation and negative PR campaigns. And that's just on one issue. Many politicians will correctly decide that it's easier to take corporate cash and kiss more babies and get sent back to office anyway.

we need to stop relying on representative democracy. It worked somewhat OK during periods of technological stasis or relatively sedate change, but it's absolutely inadequate to teh challenges of the digital era. Sortition or electronic democracy are the only credible alternatives.


This is difficult when you have a single-winner FPTP system.

it seems that single issue voters are rare, and that political access is monopolized by the already powerful

Maybe i'm in a bubble but seems like disapproval of Israel and its actions are uniting the right and left. Lets see what happens.

Honestly, I feel the same way.. it's hard to get out of a bubble.

> Am I missing something?

Just the part where you're supposed to be doing something about it, otherwise don't you think it's a bit hypocritical to call out others for doing the same thing?


I drove past one with a literal American flag planted on it today so maybe we are taking back the Homeland alas?

It was a beautiful thing.

The state ordered the cameras removed but they left the posts, someone stuck a flag inside the old post.

https://postimg.cc/q6vSQ01V


So it still scans Bluetooth as explained in other comments here. Someone needs to build an easy to install faraday cage around it, something universal that can be easily installed on cameras that have been ordered to be removed.

It was actually removed though. But they left the pole up and someone saw an opportunity to place the flag.

Apologies. I'm mixing up this story with another story where I read the court ordered Flock to disassemble the cameras, and they left it in place for quite a long time so the state put a bag over it, but it was still collecting data via Bluetooth.

This happened in Canada

Sure but the question stands on a platform like this one.

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“51st state”

Said the mad man

Because "1984" is one of those books that people pretend to have read so that they can use the word "Orwellian" to talk about surveillance they personally don't like while excusing the sort that's convenient or economically expedient for them.

(For what it's worth I haven't read ~half of the books on my shelf. "Simulacra and Simulation" is mocking me from across the room)


1984 is a tiny paperback that's very accessible and probably takes a couple hours to read?

It’s about 330 pages and average reader reads one page/minute, so 6.5 hours, on average

I'm old but I guess I am learning this book is not read(or the movie not shown) in high school nowadays.

I'm in my mid-30s and read it when I was in middle school because I bought a beat up copy for $.50 at a used book sale. I was assigned "Animal Farm" a year or two later (which I didn't enjoy nearly as much because of a personal aversion to parables) but never "1984". This always struck me as odd.

It's not like 1984 has a feel-good ending that's like "yes, fight the power, you will be successful and not ruin your own life quixotically."

I do think there is value in fighting the power... but 1984 is not a book that depicts such a choice working out well.


People aren't pretending, they just like the word.

> USA laughed at China when they did the same

Why invoke China? The UK did this long before China.


The scenario is distinctly different: in one scenario the government had "control" over it and in the other a private corporation has "control".

> Am I missing something?

Yes you missed something big. A little too excited to get in the America dig, didn’t even bother reading the article to realize it happened in Canada.


ends up a good % of the US population is in favor of fascism. Same reason we elected orange mango man, same reason ICE is running around shooting people and imprisoning America citizens.

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Criticism of bad government policy is never racist.



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